Hand vs. cts, draw + showdown value

[Requin]

I never know what to do in this kind of spot (the turn). I usually like check/calling, but have been advised that betting again is much better against a good opponent. Thoughts on both turn and river appreciated. Sorry for the mess but converter's down.

***** Hand History for Game 5192163533 *****
$600 NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, September 17, 18:00:31 ET 2006
Table Monster #1277198 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 6: cts ( $2664.49 )
Seat 3: LeRequin_ ( $847.05 )
Seat 2: jasonmathis ( $186.49 )
Seat 1: julick1 ( $554.06 )
Seat 5: s4508 ( $614.75 )
Seat 4: U2PLAY ( $304.67 )
julick1 posts small blind [$3].
jasonmathis posts big blind [$6].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to LeRequin_ [ Jc Tc ]
LeRequin_ raises [$24].
U2PLAY folds.
cts calls [$24].
julick1 folds.
jasonmathis folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6c, 2h, Jd ]
LeRequin_ bets [$45].
cts calls [$45].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qc ]
LeRequin_ checks.
cts bets [$126].
LeRequin_ calls [$126].
** Dealing River ** [ 2s ]
LeRequin_ checks.
cts bets [$386].
LeRequin_?

edited for his SN even though I'm sure everyone knows it...

[flawless_victory]

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I never know what to do in this kind of spot (the turn). I usually like check/calling, but have been advised that betting again is much better against a good opponent.

[/ QUOTE ]fire that person as your poker advisor.
as for the river, v obv fold on paper, ESP since the rier was the 2s.... sure he could have like T8o or 33 but that doesnt mean u have to call.

[aceswild83]

anyone like an open push on the river?
i was leaning towards a call but i don't really know, he could he could be vbetting 66,22,QJ,AQ and i have no idea how much he floats/bluffs.

I like c/cing turn as well but would be interesting why betting is better against good oppoents.

[philipsaurus]

i bet the turn like 70% of the time. the way you got to the river, a fold is in order.

[jsnipes28]

I think this really depends on how cts has been playing preflop. If he has been 3betting a lot then I would be more inclined to call this river because of the nature of his 3bet range (presumable, i dont really have any idea i guess) includes a lot of paint and I think if he has been pretty active pf 3betting etc then this is a pretty easy call.

OTOH you are playing your hand faceup against a good opponent which is not good and I think that you are going to have a hard time showing too much of a profit with this river call.

I think these are reasons, like you said, why betting the turn is better than c/c. Given the nature of the board though and the fact that cts is playing lower here than usual (though he still plays good for the most part) I think I would make this call bc hes gotta be a little more likely to get out of line.

[Requin]

He was calling me a decent amount in position, not out of line but noticably often. I also saw him showdown once that session when he just called my UTG raise with AK on the button. Also I didn't feel like he was 3-betting me light at all, so I guess I'd say he was relatively passive preflop.

[jsnipes28]

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He was calling me a decent amount in position, not out of line but noticably often. I also saw him showdown once that session when he just called my UTG raise with AK on the button. Also I didn't feel like he was 3-betting me light at all, so I guess I'd say he was relatively passive preflop.

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I amend my decision to a fold then.

[yvesaint]

why not c/r turn sometimes

[Requin]

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why not c/r turn sometimes

[/ QUOTE ]Actually I should say the guys who I discussed this with told me to mix it up between betting and CRing turn. I think a turn CR is ok here sometimes, but I feel like its better to CR other draws that have no showdown value and sometimes air in this spot (as well as occaisional big hands of course).

[flawless_victory]

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why not c/r turn sometimes

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why not openpush preflop?