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Old 09-17-2006, 11:35 PM
jfresh jfresh is offline
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Default gimme a line

villain was 56/17/4 but over only 30 hands. i did observe some erratically aggro play from him earlier

this is kind of a standard spot that i don't really know what to do with though, vs a player i can't trust.


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Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (6.40 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero?
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Old 09-17-2006, 11:39 PM
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Default Re: gimme a line

I like calling down, betting if checked to.
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Old 09-18-2006, 12:03 AM
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Default Re: gimme a line

call/call/call
This way if he is bluffing, he's likely to continue to do so, given his playing style. If you raise anywhere , he may either re-raise you for value or fold, which makes you lose potential bets.
You can't be comfortable folding anywhere because he's an erradic player.
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Old 09-18-2006, 12:07 AM
VickreyAuction VickreyAuction is offline
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Default Re: gimme a line

I would call down. I'd bet if checked to on the river on most cards (not an ace).
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Old 09-18-2006, 02:49 AM
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Default Re: gimme a line

getting 3-bet by people with a 17 PFR isnt good
however you got a great flop and hes happy to bet it for you so let him--since you said he is erratically aggro you cant really raise without being happy to call the inevitable 3 bet so calling is your only option.

If you get a K and an A it prob shoudl be an easy fold on the river but I'm a fish and always imagine the times I've had peopel do this wtih 77 or 66 and call.
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Old 09-18-2006, 05:44 AM
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Default Re: gimme a line

Against an aggro opponent, just call/call/call is the way to go.
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Old 09-18-2006, 05:53 AM
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Default Re: gimme a line

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call/call/call
This way if he is bluffing, he's likely to continue to do so, given his playing style. If you raise anywhere , he may either re-raise you for value or fold, which makes you lose potential bets.
You can't be comfortable folding anywhere because he's an erradic player.

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This is exactly why you should call down and not raise anywhere.

What if the guy had a PFR of 25% and an AF of 0.6 after a 1k hand sample?
Raise because you are likely ahead and he won't punish you?
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Old 09-18-2006, 09:33 AM
TomBrooks TomBrooks is offline
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Default Re: gimme a line

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call/call/call
This way if he is bluffing, he's likely to continue to do so, given his playing style. If you raise anywhere , he may either re-raise you for value or fold, which makes you lose potential bets.

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This is exactly why you should call down and not raise anywhere.

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Raising costs you one BB if you can fold to a 3B. Unless he is a maniac or thinks you're one he will not 3B you without AQ, KK or AA. You can fold. If your image is such that he thinks you would raise without a Queen, this would change things. What has he seen you do since you got to the table?

What exactly have you seen him do in earlier hands? Did he three bet anything less than TP without an excellent draw?

Raising might get you a free card on the turn if you want it. If you want to call a river bet, you save .5BB over calling down at least.

Calling down costs you 2.5BB.

If he folds two cards Ten or higher when you raise he has made a mistake. Maybe he would call with AK but fold AJ. He will be hard pressed to call any raise unless he has a Queen. If he has AK and he thinks you have AQ or KQ he will figure he might only have 3 outs. If he has AJ and thinks you might have AQ he will figure he is about 330:1 to get running Jacks.
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Old 09-18-2006, 10:18 AM
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Could we call the flop here in order to make a free showdown raise on the turn? That might be my play, not sure though.
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Old 09-18-2006, 10:39 AM
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I don't think a FSR is good here, I'd also call down.
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