NL 200...TPTK turns two-pair

[chesspain]

No read on CO. UTG+1 was your basic "Plays any two suited" type of player.

UTG (213.40)
UTG+1 (257.57)
MP (138.97)
chesspain (197.00)
LP (192.00)
CO (354.05)
Button (211.48)
SB (224.25)
BB (93.15)

Preflop: chesspain is LMP with K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. BB posts $2.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $2, 1 fold,<font color="red"> chesspain raises to $10,</font> 1 fold, CO calls $10, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls $10.

Flop: ($33) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, chesspain checks, <font color="red">CO bets $10</font>, UTG+1 folds, <font color="red">chesspain raises to $35</font>, CO calls $35.

Turn: ($103) K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Is my plan here to:

1) Check or bet small, with any eye towards getting all-in?
2) Make a substantial bet, and be committed to getting all-in?
3) Check or bet small, and fold to a major bet?

[kitaristi0]

I'd be interested to hear the reasoning behind your flop checkraise.

On the turn I bet out and am happy to get it all-in. I make it $60-$70 or something in that range.

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I'd be interested to hear the reasoning behind your flop checkraise.

On the turn I bet out and am happy to get it all-in. I make it $60-$70 or something in that range.

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The reason I like the c/r is to get a bigger pot faster with less raises. The reason I don't like it is that we are saying....

I don't mind giving away a free card
I don't care that you bet on this board
I want to play for stacks, how about you?

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[prayformojo]

I'll be honest, I don't understand the reason for the flop check raise, or the thinking behind the small bet. Your hand doesn't look strong enough to give CO 3:1 on a fairly drawy board. Against an unknown and a weak player I play this pretty straightforward and bet the flop.

As played, I bet $70 on the turn.

[4_2_it]

I'm with pray and kit here. Bet out $70ish on the turn.

Multi-way I really do not like the flop check raise. What hands are calling it?

[kitaristi0]

The big problem with the checkraise IMO is that it lets Ax away too easily.

[JustToast]

If you're absolutely sure you're ahead with TPTK then I like it if you've got a read that he will bet if checked to.

I bet half pot to 3/4 on the turn.

[chesspain]

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Multi-way I really do not like the flop check raise. What hands are calling it?

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As an old limit player, I obviously would have simply bet the flop. However, since adding NL to my regimen and reading this forum, I seem to be hearing the message "When you are the preflop raiser, don't always bet on flops when it is obvious that what you had connected and that others will fold to this bet." Since it was three-way, I was hoping that CO would try to steal this pot (or value bet his Ax against my possible underpair), and that UTG+1 would fold rather than face a possible squeeze.

Once it was heads-up, I assumed that if I just called, I am then forced to give a free card on the turn, or bet out on the turn, even though there are many cards on the turn which will be scary for me or scary enough to my opponent to kill my action if I bet. Consequently, I checkraised the additional $25 to either just get him to fold right there without having the oppourtunity to connect on the turn, or to possible pick up another $25 before having him probably fold to a turn bet.

[kitaristi0]

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I seem to be hearing the message "When you are the preflop raiser, don't always bet on flops when it is obvious that what you had connected and that others will fold to this bet."

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Though this may be true in some cases on this board Ax calls always, diamonds call and Qx calls some of the time.

[4_2_it]

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Multi-way I really do not like the flop check raise. What hands are calling it?

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As an old limit player, I obviously would have simply bet the flop. However, since adding NL to my regimen and reading this forum, I seem to be hearing the message "When you are the preflop raiser, don't always bet on flops when it is obvious that what you had connected and that others will fold to this bet."

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That is a fallacy because the only way you get paid is if others connected. The fact that you connected is not important. A free card is much more likely to help villains than hero so betting is a good idea.

Now if the flop is AAA or AAK, then checking is fine, but AQ3 doesn't fall into that category.

Another question, if you always checked A high flops when you connect and bet them when you miss how long will it take me to get all your chips?

Also, if you must change up your play, I'd much rather try your line on a K-high flop.