25/50 hand vs. a bitch

[theBruiser500]

where bitch=KKF, he somehow lucked into a nice flop raise here. well you know what they say, even a blind squirrel can find an acorn once in a while. where do we go from here?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO ($11714.64)
Button ($13184.94)
SB ($4775)
BB ($9700.40)
Hero ($11394)
UTG+1 ($7161.69)
UTG+2 ($6641)
MP1 ($8003)
MP2 ($912)
MP3 ($4066)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $25.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $175</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, MP3 calls $175, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $175, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($600) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $500</font>, MP3 calls $500, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $1500</font>

[ahnuld]

too deep and the reverse odds suck, id just fold up now.

[TheWorstPlayer]

how tight is your UTG raising range here? if you are as tight as I believe, I probably muck this.

[snugglez88]

you're likely up against a strong draw, a set/ 2 pr, or an overpair... with the first two being very likely. I like ahnuld's line with a fold

[theBruiser500]

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you're likely up against a strong draw, a set/ 2 pr, or an overpair... with the first two being very likely. I like ahnuld's line with a fold

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hot damn, with analysis like this how did i ever stop posting here?

[NT!]

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you're likely up against a strong draw, a set/ 2 pr, or an overpair... with the first two being very likely. I like ahnuld's line with a fold

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hot damn, with analysis like this how did i ever stop posting here?

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DOOD JOO HAF AISSESS

[ahnuld]

im playing 8 tables now. kinda hard, but thats my idea.

[xorbie]

easy push.

[MDMA]

You are kidding with pushing, right? This is a fold or call, and never a push.

[Ansky]

Does KKF know that it is you? I assume yes, cause if you wanted to be anonymous than you wouldn't post this hand I guess.

Anyway, I know at a lower level, 5/10 or 10/20 I'd prob fold because people don't make enough moves in pots like these, despite them being +EV (as has been evidenced by everyones responses in this thread). So obviously, this comes down to KKFs frequency of bluffs here (really really obv), which I doubt many people would know better than you.

In general, if I felt someone was capable and certainly conscious enough of the situation to be bluff raising here, or doing something like raising 77 for a bluff some x% of the time, or a cheaper showdown some other % of the time, then I definitely would not fold. Of cooooooourse though the problem with just calling, is that wtf do you do on the turn? You are out of position, and you have 0 deception in your hand. KKF pretty much can play as good as he can possibly play with regards to your range. If you check, and he fires again you obviously have a tough choice, or if he checks behind then you have given a free card to a lot of hands on a very draw heavy and nasty board.

Cause of all that [censored] my standard in this spot would probably be to fold, but as I said I think it's very bad and dangerous to never take a stand here. If you always are betting here with the intention of folding to a raise (against players who know you, and you are on some # of levels with) then you are obviously hugely exploitable. So the question comes down to what to do if you decide not to fold the flop. I think 3 betting is not an option for some pretty obvious reasons, so I'd call, and make a probably very tough decision on various turn cards assuming I check the turn.

My mindset however is very influenced lately by HU and shorthanded, so I prob am not accounting enough for the fact that this is 10 handed.