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09-09-2006, 09:07 AM
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When to play passive with TPTK?
This is a situation that occurs somewhat often at lower limits. I figure I am either way ahead or way behind SB - he certainly shows a lot of strength. But with the passive fish in the pot I dont know how to play this one optimally. I am torn between wanting to protect my hand and getting cheaply to showdown.
Do we just call down or do we find a spot to raise - and if so, which street? Also fold it if SB 3 bets our raise? Reads: SB is TAG with 24/14/3 after 400 hands CO is passive fish. Cryptologic Limit Holdem Ring game Limit: £1/£2 6 players Converter Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2 folds, CO calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB 3-bets</font>, BB folds, CO calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero caps</font>, SB calls, CO calls. Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (13SB, 3 players) <font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, CO calls, Hero calls ?? . Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (8BB, 3 players) <font color="#cc0000">SB bets</font>, CO calls, Hero ?? 
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#2
09-09-2006, 09:56 AM
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Re: When to play passive with TPTK?
With CO in there this got to be one of the easiest flop raises ever...
If you are threebet on flop I would cap for value if CO is still in there. If SB leads Turn I just call down...
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#4
09-09-2006, 10:43 AM
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Re: When to play passive with TPTK?
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raise the flop, you have two ppl committed, and you will have the best hand alot. [/ QUOTE ] If the SB is rational, I see no value in raising any street. To put things in perspective, If I were the SB in this hand, AK should never raise any street postflop. So whether the hero should raise or not is largely dependent on how he views this tag. Against many players I would raise the flop or the turn like its my job. Against a logical tag, Who just bet this flop after I capped preflop, I may not put a raise in on any street. I know one thing for sure, I am a logical/rational tag. If I bet that flop in that spot, All AK has is a crying call down.
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#5
09-09-2006, 10:45 AM
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Re: When to play passive with TPTK?
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With CO in there this got to be one of the easiest flop raises ever... If you are threebet on flop I would cap for value if CO is still in there. If SB leads Turn I just call down... [/ QUOTE ] If a good tag bet/3bets that flop, there is no value to capping.
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#8
09-09-2006, 12:07 PM
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Re: When to play passive with TPTK?
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If I bet that flop in that spot, All AK has is a crying call down. [/ QUOTE ] You wouldn't bet QQ,KQ,JJ maybe TT in the spot? are you going to C/F them? Plus a 3-bet here is usually AK or AA, with AK more likely. The CO will probably call(with money already invested) and he's the only one we're profiting from if the SB 3-bets this flop generally.
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#9
09-09-2006, 12:12 PM
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Re: When to play passive with TPTK?
"If I bet that flop in that spot, All AK has is a crying call down. "
and what are you actually betting that beats hero in this spot? KK/88? probability he has KK/88 < probability he's a moron, based on what little read we have.
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#10
09-09-2006, 12:17 PM
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Re: When to play passive with TPTK?
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[ QUOTE ] If I bet that flop in that spot, All AK has is a crying call down. [/ QUOTE ] You wouldn't bet QQ,KQ,JJ maybe TT in the spot? are you going to C/F them? Plus a 3-bet here is usually AK or AA, with AK more likely. The CO will probably call(with money already invested) and he's the only one we're profiting from if the SB 3-bets this flop generally. [/ QUOTE ] With all the hands you mentioned I would not bet the flop, I would probably checkraise the flop or check/call the flop depending on what I wanted to accomplish. Betting the flop with those hands accomplishes nothing to me, assuming the information we gain from a flop bet is unreliable which is usually the case online. If I bet that flop after a good player capped preflop, it is always with the intention of 3betting, and If im bet/3betting that flop AK is in some serious trouble. Basically, the point of my whole discussion is, good tags dont bet the flop in that spot unless its with the intention of 3betting. And if a good tag has a hand thats strong enough to bet/3bet, the hero should think twice before putting a raise in on any street.
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