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Old 08-27-2006, 07:51 PM
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Default 55 OOP VS PFR ZOMG

Online, 8 handedish.

The game was pretty great earlier because of a couple really live players, but they have since left and the game is slowly turning into a crapfest. This was going to be my last orbit.

The CO had sat down only recently but seemed decently tight, at least.

I raise first in from middle position w/ 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], CO 3-bets, everyone folds, I call.

Headsup to the flop for 7 small bets.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

I check, CO bets, I call.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4.5 big bets)

I check, CO bets, I call.

River: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6.5 big bets)

I bet, planning to fold if he raises.

Botched?

How would you have played this one?

What are some things to think about before we make each decision?
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Old 08-27-2006, 07:55 PM
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Default Re: 55 OOP VS PFR ZOMG

Cash,

I like it. There are various ways to play it on the river and it is tough to say what is best against a random player. The best options when a blank hits are usually to check/fold or bet. When a high card hits a check/call will probably be +EV compared to betting.
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Old 08-27-2006, 07:57 PM
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Default Re: 55 OOP VS PFR ZOMG

On the flop there isn't much paint, so we can be reasonably confident that overcards didn't hit. If he has an overpair we're drawing to two outs, if he's got overcards he's drawing to 3 outs.

Looks like standard WA/WB to me.
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Old 08-27-2006, 08:07 PM
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Doesn't he have a 6 outer w/ overcards?
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Old 08-27-2006, 08:11 PM
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Doesn't he have a 6 outer w/ overcards?

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Yeah and he will often times have 10 when an overcard to your 5 hits on the turn. Still it is +EV to calldown on a paired board as long as his ratio of overpairs to overcards is low enough (say TT+ and AK). In fact it is probably +EV even if it is impossible for you to hit a set in the process.
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Old 08-27-2006, 09:07 PM
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Doesn't he have a 6 outer w/ overcards?

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Yeah and he will often times have 10 when an overcard to your 5 hits on the turn. Still it is +EV to calldown on a paired board as long as his ratio of overpairs to overcards is low enough (say TT+ and AK). In fact it is probably +EV even if it is impossible for you to hit a set in the process.

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Hey Shill. How much does the EV of calling down change when the board doesn't pair, but another brickish card comes off.

Like let's say the final board in this hand is:

9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
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Old 08-27-2006, 09:09 PM
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When a high card hits a check/call will probably be +EV compared to betting.

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Is this because he's more likely to bluff bet when a big card comes off, but check it through when another low one does?
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Old 08-27-2006, 09:25 PM
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Default Re: 55 OOP VS PFR ZOMG

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When a high card hits a check/call will probably be +EV compared to betting.

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Is this because he's more likely to bluff bet when a big card comes off, but check it through when another low one does?

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Yeah I know that when I have AQ and a king hits I might fire another shot at it hoping that he folds something like 55.

My stove isn't working right now. All you have to do is run 55 v TT/AK on a 994 flop and compare it to a 984 flop. I'm thinking that you lose 6-7% equity or something.
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Old 08-27-2006, 09:36 PM
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Oh okay, cool. I'll tinker around w/ that.

Thanks.
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Old 08-27-2006, 11:06 PM
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Text book WA/WB no?

Sarge[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
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