2nd pair...

krishan · #1 08-24-2006, 01:19 AM

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saw flop|saw showdown

MP ($649.08)
Hero ($2000)
SB ($3347.34)
BB ($2792)
UTG ($4915.20)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $10.
UTG raises to $70, MP calls $70, Hero raises to $310, 2 folds, UTG calls $240, MP calls $240.

Flop: ($960) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG calls $4605.20 (All-In), MP folds, Hero calls $1690 (All-In).

Turn: ($7255.20) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($7255.20) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $7255.20

Villain seemed reasonable. Thoughts?

Krishan

Terrabon98 · #2 08-24-2006, 01:49 AM

no reads? with no reads I think this is rpetty horrible. what do you think that you have beat?

Megenoita · #3 08-24-2006, 02:01 AM

Pretty bad IMO. You must be posting it b/c he had a draw. It does look like a draw, but a FD + an over is about a coin flip against you, and a pair + FD or FD + 2 overs, or set/2 pair, anything else, is a favorite over you.

FWIW, when I flop sets, I sometimes do a line similar to this to make it look like a draw.

krishan · #4 08-24-2006, 02:18 AM

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no reads? with no reads I think this is rpetty horrible. what do you think that you have beat?

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There is at least a chance he has a flush draw right?

krishan · #5 08-24-2006, 02:20 AM

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Pretty bad IMO. You must be posting it b/c he had a draw. It does look like a draw, but a FD + an over is about a coin flip against you, and a pair + FD or FD + 2 overs, or set/2 pair, anything else, is a favorite over you.

FWIW, when I flop sets, I sometimes do a line similar to this to make it look like a draw.

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Yeah, I figured it was either a set (unlikely) or the flush draw or some other big draw.

I know at best I'm a coin flip but the pot is laying pretty good odds to take a coin flip.

Krishan

Terrabon98 · #6 08-24-2006, 03:47 AM

youre right, you are getting ok odds for a coinflip, but that's only part of his range. I think your problem here is that you are picking a part of his range that you are ok against and assigning way too much weight to that. Most of the time I think you are dead in the water. And with a flush draw, he probably has at least one overcard, if not two and a combo draw

Big_Jim · #7 08-24-2006, 03:59 AM

Has he seen you re-raising much?

Do you think he would expect you to fire a continuation bet almost always?

If you are almost always CBetting, then I think that this is much much more likely to be a draw than a good made hand, and you do have at least 6 outs vs just about everything.

If he starts throwing in a few big hands there, the overlay goes down pretty quick, though.

krishan · #8 08-24-2006, 09:59 AM

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Has he seen you re-raising much?

Do you think he would expect you to fire a continuation bet almost always?

If you are almost always CBetting, then I think that this is much much more likely to be a draw than a good made hand, and you do have at least 6 outs vs just about everything.

If he starts throwing in a few big hands there, the overlay goes down pretty quick, though.

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I haven't been reraising much. It's probably my second orbit. I would c-bet this flop quite a bit.

The last point is the most important. I thought that this move was most likely a monster (set, straight) or a good draw. Combinatorically sets are unlikely and straights probably wouldn't make the preflop call.

Jim you think it's mediocre but perhaps okay? That's what I'm hoping for. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Krishan

krishan · #9 08-24-2006, 01:33 PM

villain had QJ and I lost. Strange hand.

Krishan

Jeff W · #10 08-24-2006, 06:26 PM

I'd fold, I think you have to be worried about a slowplayed overpair in addition to strong flush draws(12+ outs usually) and sets. He might also just have something like AJ and is worried you'll check behind 3 ways on a connected board if you missed.