Going broke with 1 pair

NSchandler · #1 07-20-2006, 02:33 AM

Villain here seemed loose and aggressive, but didn't have enough hands on him for a real read.

Coming from limit, I have a real problem laying hands like this one down. Normally I'll fold TPTK if villain keeps firing, but here the villain seemed aggressive enough that he could be on a flush draw. However, even if that were the case with the flop c/r, I suppose I need to scratch that thought when he fires again on the turn, no?

Once I get to the river, I think I sucked out on enough A9, A4, or 94 hands to call getting about 3.5:1.

So, call flop, fold turn, call river?

How does my pf raise look? I am really beginning to hate AK, and I've been trying to keep my raises with it fairly small to avoid playing in bit pots (obviously doesn't work though, does it?)

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($43.75)
Hero ($50)
MP1 ($31.91)
MP2 ($35.70)
MP3 ($108.70)
CO ($43.19)
Button ($44.60)
SB ($72.65)
BB ($30.05)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
1 fold, Hero raises to $2, 6 folds, BB calls $1.50.

Flop: ($4.25) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3, BB raises to $6, Hero calls $3.

Turn: ($16.25) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $8.71, Hero calls $8.71.

River: ($33.67) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB calls $13.34 (All-In), Hero calls $13.34.

Final Pot: $60.35

PietM · #2 07-20-2006, 02:38 AM

On the flop, min-raise usually means TPTK not good... So I'd fold to his raise, or call the flop bet, but fold to the turn bet. Villain really seems to like his hand...

AZplaya · #3 07-20-2006, 02:53 AM

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On the flop, min-raise usually means TPTK not good

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I disagree with this 100%. I see people min raise the flop with all sorts of [censored] that TPTK crushes. That said, usually a flop minraise followed by a big bet on the turn means that Villian has a solid hand. Keep in mind though, some Villians think A10 is the nuts on this flop. No way I don't get my stack in here unless I have a read that Villian is solid/nitty

joe234321 · #4 07-20-2006, 02:56 AM

i disagree with the previous post. I actually don't mind how you played this.
I disagree with the FIRST post I mean

On the flop don't fold to a tiny little minraise. You just flopped a great hand. At least call and see what the turn brings. Your position will help evaluate the turn.

The turn is where you should decide to fold or push. There is no benifit to calling here. You are not folding the river if you call the turn. Villian may be on a draw or like you said could have 2 pair. Once the river comes he may well check/fold an unfavorable river. Folding the turn is read dependant. If villian is fully capable of doing this with AJ A10 or some other Ace-rag you can probably push the turn.

As played call the river for sure!

BalugaWhale · #5 07-20-2006, 02:56 AM

I am tempted to play it the same, but fold the river.

AZplaya · #6 07-20-2006, 03:02 AM

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I am tempted to play it the same, but fold the river

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Why call the turn if you fold to a less than 1/2 pot river bet? We have to know all of Villians chips are going in on the river when we call the turn, just based on stack sizes. I play the flop the same, but I think that we should push or fold the turn.

joe234321 · #7 07-20-2006, 03:06 AM

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I am tempted to play it the same, but fold the river.

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Madness

BalugaWhale · #8 07-20-2006, 03:06 AM

Eh AZplaya you are right... I just pretty much know I'm beat when he leads the turn... so I guess we just fold the turn and paddle our weak tight canoe away

PokrLikeItsProse · #9 07-20-2006, 03:42 AM

I'm tempted to say the villain probably has top pair with the nut flush draw.

I sometimes check behind on the flop here.

pulse · #10 07-20-2006, 03:48 AM

This is not one pair, this is two pair. And this looks like a pretty good board for A-K. Reasonable hands you're behind are A-Q, 4-4, and 9-9. Turn and river are good because you're now ahead of A-4 and A-9. Also, I really disagree that the min raise means strength. Some players will min-raise w/ any draw, or if they catch any part of the flop. I would say it's a little more likely that he's strong because it's a check-raise.