5/10: River play against TAG

[RunDownHouse]

Villian is like 21/15, I've seen him at a few of my tables tonight. Seems like he's a bit weak and folds too much.

Party 5/10

Hero has A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Button (Villian) open raises, SB folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Hero checks, <font color="red">Villian bets, Hero raises</font>, Villian calls.

Standard c/r, right?

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="red">Hero bets, Villian raises</font>, Hero calls.

Oops. Should I just dump here?

River: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Hero checks, <font color="red">Villian bets</font>, Hero...

Getting 9:1, do I face a bluff 10% of the time?

[milesdyson]

hmm

what's his steal % ?

if it's under 40 i'm just laying down preflop.

i think the flop check raise is not good on this board because you get a call down out of AT+ too often, even if the guy seems weak.

i don't think you can fold the turn. you could only fold there if you check folded but then that gives him 0 chance to fold Ax/KJ/KT/etc.

easy river fold though.

[RunDownHouse]

AtSB of 32.

[ILOVEPOKER929]

Preflop: I call here too.

FLOP: I never check/raise here with your specific hand becuz you will never get a better hand to fold on this specific board. If I had 65, this would be a standard flop checkraise for me. With your hand I would check/call the flop, check/call the turn, and against a good tag, Check/fold the river unimproved, against a lag, I would check/call the river unimproved.

TURN: Given that you checkraised the flop, this street is close. I dont think it matters that much what you do.

RIVER: Check/fold time.

Edit: If im against an opponent who wont bet the turn with King high/Queen high/Jack high...etc, then I would checkraise the flop, but most people fire again with these hands on this specific board.

[Nick C]

Strangely enough, the flop checkraise is mostly for value. Well, if it's a good play, that is. I'm not sure about it.

I probably call the turn raise, although we can't fully trust our A outs.

On the river, I guess I grudgingly dump it. If Villain has T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and semibluff-raised the turn following the flop checkraise, then he outplayed me.

[Flintoff]

I fold preflop because I don't like playing OOP with ace rag.

[RunDownHouse]

So Nick is the only one that comes close to a river call?

[milesdyson]

you're never splitting with an A because he wont bet the river with just an A.

you said he seems weak and like he folds too much. i just dont see this guy bluff raising the turn and betting the river very often. also someone mentioned the diamond semibluff, that just got there anyway.

[ILOVEPOKER929]

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you're never splitting with an A because he wont bet the river with just an A.

you said he seems weak and like he folds too much. i just dont see this guy bluff raising the turn and betting the river very often. also someone mentioned the diamond semibluff, that just got there anyway.

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Yeah this is a very easy river fold against this opponent, I dont even care if the hero actually called the river and won. This crying call will be a money loser in the long run.

[RunDownHouse]

OK, well, results.

I was actually button here with A6, some hand like that. I figured he'd be folding a lot of hands on the turn here, including better A's and PP's. When he called, I thought I was in trouble, but thinking about his range (never a Q or a 2, and never a K unless its a bizarre AK), I couldn't come up with a single hand a TAG could call a river bet with. Even something like 77 is going to have a really tough time finding a call here.

What's everyone think?