Playing KK and AA only - is it profitable?

[Slava_sky]

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[Bubbles]

Most definitely. I do it, and I still get plenty of action when I raise - even UTG. The fish haven't caught on yet.

Stupid fish.

[Dendrite]

no, but feel free to try at my tables.

[Caddy_4_Life]

I muck them OOP.

-Caddy

[Low Limit Loser]

No, you'd lose more with the blinds than you can make with just those 2 hands.

[jba]

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[swong4444]

No. AA and KK each come once every 221 hands. So, you will play 110 hands before playing a hand. During that time, you will pay 110/6=18 big blinds and 110/6=18 small blinds. You would have to win a ~14BB pot EVERY time to break even.

[RustyBrooks]

Actually, here's an interesting excercise. How many hands do you have to play if you want to break even, assuming you can average 1BB/hand played or 2BB/hand played.

If you can make 1BB/hand, then it works out to about 330 out of all possible hands, or about 25% of hands. See, you'll be playing 1 in 4 hands. So for every hand you play, you'll pay 4/6 of a BB and 4/6 of a SB, for a total of 1BB.

If you can make 2BB/hand, then it works out to about 165 out of all possible hands, or about 13%. This way, you'll be playing 1 in 8 hands, so you'll pay 8/6 big blinds and 8/6 small blinds = 2BB.

If you want to turn a profit you'll either have to play more hands, or make more on them. If you're going to play 25% of hands and you want to make 2BB/100, then over 100 hands, you'll play 25 of them, and you'll pay $25 in blinds. You want to profit $4 so you'll need to earn $29 total, or 1.16BB/hand.

Edit:
The funny thing is, if you make only $21 total, then you made only 0.84BB/hand. It's funny how small the difference between significant +EV and -EV is.

[True]

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[milesdyson]

1 bb = 2 sb

1 bb/hand is massive and if you could pull that (average) there's no way you'd have to play a whopping 25% of your hands to break even.