QQ, OOP, too weak?

AZplaya · #1 08-09-2006, 12:43 AM

Brand new to the table, no stats/reads. Thoughts on all streets appreciated.

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $100
UTG+1: $104.45
CO: $95.55
Button: $96.74
SB: $95.30
BB: $245.50

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Hero raises to $4, 2 folds, Button raises to $7, 2 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($15.5, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $10, Hero calls.

Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($35.5, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $10, Hero calls.

River: 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($55.5, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

Results:
Final pot: $55.5

Al_Money · #2 08-09-2006, 01:04 AM

You'll probably see TT/JJ here most of the time IMO. I like it. Those minreraises preflop scare me without reads, which could be AA/KK.

I guess you could throw out a 1/2 pot on the river and fold to a push, but I think c/c the whole way works too.

Oxy · #3 08-09-2006, 01:09 AM

I like a c/c on flop and lead turn for about 25$, or a c/r on the flop. Leading the flop will generally get the hands you beat (AK/AQ) out, although JJ/TT will also stay in I guess. Still, you definitely didn't play this hand very strong. As played, lead the river for 35$ (making a pot-sized raise on the turn commits you and you're never getting value out of TT-JJ)

don't know how correct my reasoning is, anyone care to comment?

Psydoc · #4 08-09-2006, 01:13 AM

I like putting in a strong c/r on the flop...in my life, a K or A will come on the turn here if you don't.

Coz · #5 08-09-2006, 01:19 AM

I also think a check raise on the flop or even leading out is better then checking, you let him take control of the hand, and since you have no reads you can't tell whether he is bluffing with ace king or has rockets. I would have lead out on the flop, if he re-raised depending on how much I would call, and probably check and fold the turn to a bet.

AZplaya · #6 08-09-2006, 02:02 AM

I really don't understand the purpose of a c/r on this flop. This seems like a classis WA/WB situation. Even if he has AK, he is only drawing to 6 outs. If feel like a c/r only folds hands I beat and gets called by JJ-AA. Same with a lead, It doesn't allow me to snap off a cbet, and will prob only get called by JJ-AA on this board, a range which I am well behind.

MrMxyztplk · #7 08-09-2006, 11:42 PM

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I really don't understand the purpose of a c/r on this flop.

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If you checkraise bluff often enough (or have been caught), then it has value.

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This seems like a classis WA/WB situation. Even if he has AK, he is only drawing to 6 outs.

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Personnally, WAWB is 3 outs or less. That Villain could have 6 outs is not the only problem: A and K could kill your action against TT/JJ, and especially 77/88.

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If feel like a c/r only folds hands I beat and gets called by JJ-AA.

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Not if you could be bluffing, or if you're very aggressive (with a 9 or a medium PP).

I really think this was played weak. If you're not too aggressive and just about never bluff, then at least lead the river for 1/3 pot. You'll get calls from TT and JJ for sure, and there's probably a decent chance you'll get called or bluff raised by some other weaker hands.

Klompy · #8 08-09-2006, 03:06 AM

I think you played if fine imo, villians turn bet is very weak though so I'd think about leading the river small for value but I think it's pretty thin.

tubasteve · #9 08-09-2006, 03:10 AM

villain = obv donk w/AK

Psydoc · #10 08-09-2006, 03:38 AM

If AK, or either since we don't know which, 6 cards will suck...that's roughly 1/4 the time by river. But sounds like the more experienced posters don't see value in pushing a little more on the flop? Any further thoughts appreciated...