AJ ui: Turnbet?

Scipio · #1 07-21-2006, 06:29 PM

There are no draws on the flop.
-> villian made a bluffcall or had a madehand.
If i always bet the turn i think my strategy is exploitable.
So how often should i bet the turn and how often should i play c/f?
What change if villian is a good TAG?

Villian Semi-LAG

Party Poker 30.00/60.00 Hold'em (5 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 1 folds, Hero 3-bets, 1 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (7.00 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero ?

gemmer · #2 07-21-2006, 07:00 PM

I c/f the turn. He usually has a K or underpair here.

JAA · #3 07-21-2006, 09:34 PM

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I c/f the turn. He usually has a K or underpair here.

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SteveL91 · #4 07-22-2006, 02:08 AM

Against a good TAG, I think you should just c/f the turn. He's unlikely to fold a pair to a turn bet, and he really shouldn't be peeling that flop with AQ. I think a turn bet basically means you're committed to a river bet, because the third barrel might get him to lay down his pair; though, I don't know that he's ever folding a pair on this specific board.

Against unknowns or players you know to be habitual flop peelers, I'd bet the turn and fold to a raise or check behind on the river if just called most of the time.

DrewOnTilt · #5 07-22-2006, 04:44 AM

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There are no draws on the flop.
-> villian made a bluffcall or had a madehand.
If i always bet the turn i think my strategy is exploitable.
So how often should i bet the turn and how often should i play c/f?
What change if villian is a good TAG?

Villian Semi-LAG

Party Poker 30.00/60.00 Hold'em (5 handed) link

Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 1 folds, Hero 3-bets, 1 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (7.00 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero ?

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Why is everyone automatically calling for a check/fold on this ragged-assed board? Check-folding is fine against a super-tight player, but this is entirely READ-dependent. Is this villain a loose peeler? Does he normally give up on the flop, or on the turn? Or do you not know? Is he prone to bluff raising a turned draw?

Betting the turn against a LAG is okay, so long as you are willing to look him up with Ace high on occasion.

naphand · #6 07-22-2006, 01:34 PM

He cannot check behind when he is first to act... [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

DrGiggles · #7 07-22-2006, 02:06 PM

i definitely like firing again on this turn. not sure about a call down.

sometimes I c/c turn c/c river depending how lag he is.

bdk3clash · #8 07-22-2006, 06:18 PM

Come on, an aggressive player would tend to raise this flop with a K definitely and probably with other board pairs (depending on how loose his preflop raising standards are) and underpairs. You're ahead of so many Ax combinations that I can't see not betting here.

Against a tight, aggressive, good player a flop call means trouble since he should notice that the board has a K; I think I'd check fold this turn unless I knew he was a loose flop peeler/turn-giver-upper.