Turn spot with AT OOP

[geormiet]

4 handed 20/40

pretty tough lag opponent raises utg, i 3 bet ATo in the sb, he caps.

Flop is 986 with 2 diamonds, i have Ad. I check call.

Turn is an A. Villian is pretty laggy preflop, but so far he seems to play reasonable postflop. What's my line from here on out?

[The Funky Llama]

i would check/call the turn and river. If he checks through the turn i would checkraise a bunch of rivers

[Wynton]

I don't think you can attempt a river c/r if the turn gets checked through.

I would bet the turn and just call if he raises. Then, you have option of betting or even c/raising a harmless looking river.

[The Funky Llama]

so you think you can get a successful checkraise in after your turn bet is called but not when the turn goes check/check? that makes no sense...

If he checks the turn You can narrow his range down enough that he either has a big pair below aces or something that might bluff

[Wynton]

I think that this opponent may not believe hero has an Ace if he donks the turn (because he'd be anticipating a c/r on the turn instead). And I think that he may really doubt that if the donk-turn bet is followed up by a check on the river.

But I'm not necessarily advocating a c/r on the river. I'm just saying that I think it makes more sense there then right after the turn gets checked through.

[The Funky Llama]

i think a turn donk is a little more indicative of an ace than checking both the turn and river.


Are you saying that an opponent has an ace more often if he checks both streets than if he donks the turn??

[Wynton]

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i think a turn donk is a little more indicative of an ace than checking both the turn and river.

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But are you a lag, as the villain is here? I'm hoping that this particular villain will not believe hero has an Ace.

Actually, I think the entire line depends as much upon hero's image as much as villain's tendencies.

[The Funky Llama]

i think there is basically no player in existence for whom 2 checks is more indicative of an ace than a donk when the ace comes out.

thats all i'm saying...

[The Bryce]

You really want 2BB to go in here, but you not 3. Being OOP this is tricky. One advantage to just check-calling down is you'll get any extra bet out of any light caps (KQ etc) that would fold if you donked.

[Wynton]

Alright, I spoke to Geo about this. This is our chat, paraphrased:

Geo: the riv c-r is brilliant if checked thru
cause he will valuebet all decent sized pps
and he will rpobably call a c-r
Wynton: hes's not calling a c/r
geo: yes he is
geo: i would probably call one wiht KK
out of tilt/anger
Wynton: you wouldn't check the turn
geo: yeah i would
geo: hm, i think funky llama wins this one
wynton: and I think this guy is checking more rivers than you believe
geo: no he will value bet, he's a good player
wynton: then he shouldn't be calling the c/r
geo: well noboyd is that good
geo: besides maybe it's correct to call the c-r, because now he knows that I put him on KK, and he thinks i think he might fold it
wynton: no, he's not that good
geo: so he correctly calls the c-r
wynton: this is starting to sound like an Abbot and Costello routine