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Old 07-04-2006, 06:37 PM
minwoo minwoo is offline
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Default (200 max) How to play this big draw?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP ($230.22)
CO ($508.10)
Button ($184.95)
Hero ($198)
BB ($100)
UTG ($199)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $1.
UTG calls $2, MP calls $2, CO calls $2, Button calls $2, Hero (poster) completes, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $2</font>, UTG calls $2, MP calls $2, CO calls $2, Button calls $2, Hero calls $2.

Flop: ($24) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $21</font>, MP folds, CO folds, Button folds, <font color="#CC3333">

Hero???</font>

Is folding a good option? No read on UTG.
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Old 07-04-2006, 06:44 PM
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Default Re: (200 max) How to play this big draw?

As played, c/c now. Maybe push, meh.

You should have led, to induce a raise, so lead smallishly, maybe get a call, then a raise, then push. WaaaLaaah.
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Old 07-04-2006, 06:45 PM
J. Sawyer J. Sawyer is offline
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Default Re: (200 max) How to play this big draw?

reads?
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Old 07-04-2006, 06:51 PM
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Default Re: (200 max) How to play this big draw?

could never fold this
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Old 07-04-2006, 06:55 PM
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Default Re: (200 max) How to play this big draw?

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could never fold this

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Old 07-04-2006, 06:58 PM
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Default Re: (200 max) How to play this big draw?

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You should have led, to induce a raise, so lead smallishly, maybe get a call, then a raise, then push. WaaaLaaah.

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Interesting, but I seem to remember somebody commenting about relative position, and suggesting that with good relative position on the likely bettor one should check, intending to check-raise. Since BB raised preflop and will likely face a field of four with a bet, it seems to me that a CRAI is a good play here. This traps the dead money from BB and all the callers, faces BB with a horribly nasty decision about calling, and subjects the other flop callers to a nice domino effect of sandwiches against later players. At least, that would be my intention on seeing the flop.

As played, BB didn't bet and nobody called the pot-sized bet from UTG; however, a CRAI still looks tasty:

- You've got great folding equity with this huge overbet.
- You've got 20 BBs in the pot already, which is nice dead money if BB and UTG fold.
- You've got a likely 12 outs to a winner if called, and you're risking $194 to win $214 even if you're called.
- Your push could easily fold the hands you really fear the most (stronger flush or straight draws), while getting called by hands that leave you lots of outs.

cbloom and aj like to push preflop. Me? I like to push flops. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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Old 07-04-2006, 07:04 PM
ajmargarine ajmargarine is offline
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Default Re: (200 max) How to play this big draw?

I like to poosh everywhere. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

Given that BB is one of those geniuses who minraised preflop, from the blinds, a field of limpers, I don't really give any consideration to my relative position to him. But, you make a good point.
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Old 07-04-2006, 07:15 PM
Dan Bitel Dan Bitel is offline
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Default Re: (200 max) How to play this big draw?

yeah, reletive position doesnt matter this hand due to it only being a minriase and there being too many ppl in the pot.

Lead flop

As played, C/R AI
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Old 07-04-2006, 07:21 PM
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Default Re: (200 max) How to play this big draw?

Would you ever C/R all-in here with anything other than a combo draw? Didn't think so. Make a PSR to 100ish and get the rest in on any turn. I think a PSR has more FE than push, FWIW, since a push is very transparent.
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Old 07-04-2006, 07:26 PM
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Default Re: (200 max) How to play this big draw?

Push it in.
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