50NL Quads (3 on the board) vs unknown - raise amount?

[beavens]

Villain is unknown. Sometimes I will raise these hands in LP, sometimes I won't.

In retrospect, my turn bet screamed "I have an A".

River raise standard?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($49.25)
UTG ($77.40)
MP ($41.05)
Hero ($76.87)
Button ($39.34)
SB ($24.19)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($2) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.5</font>, SB folds, BB calls $1.50, UTG folds.

Turn: ($5) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $2.75</font>, BB calls $2.75.

River: ($10.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $4</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $15</font>, BB calls $11.

Final Pot: $40.50

[Dan Bitel]

As soon as i read the thread title, I knew what i was going to say:

"push river"

[beavens]

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As soon as i read the thread title, I knew what i was going to say:

"push river"

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do you think we're leaving money on the table by not just value betting this?

[djoyce003]

people aren't folding the FH ever. If he's got a king, he's calling the push.

[Dan Bitel]

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As soon as i read the thread title, I knew what i was going to say:

"push river"

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do you think we're leaving money on the table by not just value betting this?

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I think we're leaving money on the table by not pushing

[4_2_it]

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As soon as i read the thread title, I knew what i was going to say:

"push river" so villain can fold his second best hand

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FYP.

I think OP played it fine. He got a call of nice raise. Sure it looks like OP did not maximize value because he got called, but hero's goal should be to make a bet that villain can call, not auto push and pray villain is an idiot.

I know at NL$100 and NL$200 the average player does not call a push here. If NL$50 is different then ignore me.

[Dan Bitel]

frank,

you really think villain EVER folds a king here if we push? I think he does maybe 1 in 10, 1 in 20 times.

He has to fold it very often for a push to be less +EV than OP's bet

[wslee00]

I think the limit that this hand was played on is the most important piece of information we have on whether to push or value raise. A push won't work enough of the time @ 200NL to make it more profitable than a regular raise.

[4_2_it]

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frank,

you really think villain EVER folds a king here if we push? I think he does maybe 1 in 10, 1 in 20 times.

He has to fold it very often for a push to be less +EV than OP's bet

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An unknown is laying down a K to a huge overbet (At least at the tables I play). Unless you have a read that the guy is willing to go to the felt with an obvious 2nd best hand then I like making a bet he can call 95% of the time with a K or any mid-PP.

Pushing is fun, but few will call a push with 3 aces showing. Some may push representing the Ace, which is what OP would be doing.

I think the right answer really depends on hero's table rep. If he is viewed as tight (either through play or dead cards) I doubt he gets action. Someone is playing very aggressively will get more action and will have a better success rate pushing this. I know when I play, I can get a nice raise in here, but will almost never get paid if I push a trips board.

[ticks]

Clear push.
No one ever believes anyone has quads.
Heck, I dont.