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#1
09-27-2007, 07:27 PM
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Problem
The board has 5 of hearts, J of hearts, 8 of hearts, 4 of clubs.
You hold AQ off and the A is hearts You put your opponent on having pocket J's The pot has 500 chips and your opponent bets 350 In the long run would you make money or lose money if you make this call? and why? 
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#2
09-27-2007, 07:30 PM
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Re: Problem
9 hearts - (the four of hearts because it will give him a full house) = 8 outs
5:1 odds of winning 850:350 pot odds = 2.43:1 2.43:1 < 5:1 You lose money by calling. <fastens seatbelt> (holy [censored] how did I figure that out without using percents?)
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#3
09-27-2007, 07:43 PM
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Re: Problem
This should get interesting [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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#4
09-27-2007, 09:05 PM
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Re: Problem
Crazy,
I don't believe you are correct. Phil Gordon's formula states that unless everything is in percents it is useless.
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#5
09-27-2007, 09:55 PM
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Re: Problem
[ QUOTE ]
9 hearts - (the four of hearts because it will give him a full house) = 8 outs 5:1 odds of winning 850:350 pot odds = 2.43:1 2.43:1 < 5:1 You lose money by calling. <fastens seatbelt> (holy [censored] how did I figure that out without using percents?) [/ QUOTE ] One problem solved.....If only we could fix the other one too
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#6
09-27-2007, 09:58 PM
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Re: Problem
[ QUOTE ]
This should get interesting [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Only one way for that too happen. The OP will need to disagree with Crazy. Not that that can't happen of course
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#8
09-27-2007, 10:04 PM
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Re: Problem
My mistake.
I've got some delicious pizzar in the oven if you'll excuse me.
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#9
09-27-2007, 10:52 PM
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Re: Problem
On the river you have a 18.2% chance of winning.
Pot odds are 850/350 or 2.4 to 1 Break even % is 1/2.4+1 or 1/3.4 or 29% You need a 29% chance or better to win for it to be profitable in the long run if you call. So you would lose more money then make money in the long run. However if you raise and represent a made flush, I wonder how much the raise would have to be to force him to fold, thinking he does not have a better % of making a fullhouse then the break even percentage. Now it is starting to sound like there is a reason for understanding how to figure pot odds and break even persentages.
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