Preflop Audit from HJ

[mongidig]

I am going to start posting some preflop hands just to make sure that I haven't fallen into any bad habits. Assume the game is typical, not overly aggressive pre or post flop. Usually 3-6 players seeing the flop, sometimes more, sometimes less. Assume that SB is tight and decent, and BB is loose and bad. The cutoff is loose and Bad and the button is tight and decent. I have a TAG image

Hand 1) Loose bad player limps UTG, Tight decent player calls, from MP. What do you do with these hands? Q9s, 33, 99, QJ offsuit, 67s, AT offsuit.

Hand 2) Tight decent player limps UTG folded to you in HJ. What do you do here? A4s, 77, KJ offsuit, 89s.

I appreciate your thoughts. If you say fold, what would be the next best hand you would call with or raise.

Thanks.

[ssmallz]

Hand 1) Limp w/pretty much all of em except for QJo. Cant give you great advice b/c a lot depends on how the players behind you are playing and what type of image you have

Hand 2) Raise w/77, toss the rest

[RobA]

didn't look at what smallz said yet. here's my stuff:

Situation 1:
Q9s - fold (raise QTs and up)
33 - fold (limp with 55 and up)
99 - raise
QJo - fold
76s - fold (limp with JTs)
ATo - raise (though this feels wrong, thats what I still do)

Situation 2:
A4s - fold (call A8s)
77 - raise
KJo - fold (fold KQo too)
98s - fold (limp JTs)

[ssmallz]

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didn't look at what smallz said yet. here's my stuff:

Situation 1:
Q9s - fold (raise QTs and up)
33 - fold (limp with 55 and up)
99 - raise
QJo - fold
76s - fold (limp with JTs)
ATo - raise (though this feels wrong, thats what I still do)

Situation 2:
A4s - fold (call A8s)
77 - raise
KJo - fold (fold KQo too)
98s - fold (limp JTs)

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if QTs is a raise, why fold Q9s? It should at least be worht a limp, especially in a multiway pot

[RobA]

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if QTs is a raise, why fold Q9s? It should at least be worht a limp, especially in a multiway pot

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ok, i take that back. both Q9s and QTs are limps. my default is ed miller's recommended starting hands. i feel like his stuff still works, i just had forgotten a few of the hands on the fence. (like I raised JTs on the button when there were 6 limpers a few weeks ago). 33 is a limp too i guess per ed miller.

[vmacosta]

Hand 1:
Raise 99 and maybe AT, call the rest.

Hand 2: raise 77 and maybe kj, call the rest.

[arh1]

Hand 1: Call all hands. QJ and AT could be folded.

Hand 2: Call 77 and 89s hoping others call. Fold A4s
and KJ.

[Fnord]

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Hand 1) Loose bad player limps UTG, Tight decent player calls, from MP. What do you do with these hands? Q9s, 33, 99, QJ offsuit, 67s, AT offsuit.

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Raise 99 and ATo since they both win more than their fair share and lose value if this pot goes massive multi-way. Although I might limp the ATo if I think cutting down the field is a lost cause.

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Hand 2) Tight decent player limps UTG folded to you in HJ. What do you do here? A4s, 77, KJ offsuit, 89s.

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If he's limping strong offsuit hands, then I would just raise 77 and muck the rest.

[JustZak]

Hand 1 I limp everything except QJo. I dont want to raise ATo or 99 since you still have a loose CO and a loose BB to deal with as well as two limpers who are sure to come along for the raise. 99 is close I guess but I think its right on the border for me given the table description. I'm definately limping 88 and raising TT. The 99 for me here really depends on exactly how loose the CO and BB are.

[threeonefour]

wow, i am out of the consensus on this one it seems, hopefully someone can straighten me out.


hand 1:

33 limp 100%
99 raise 100%
QJ fold 100% (depending on the decent player's tendancies, raising could be +EV, but as a default folding is best.)
ATo raise 100% seriously this one is such an obvious raise i am surprised i am not really being backed up on this one. Does anyone have AJ? of course not, a raise for value is called for. calling is disgusting.

hand 2:
i don't like limping UTG, in the games i play in it is rarely correct imo, so i have hard time respecting a 'decent' UTG limper. so i guess i am going to have to cop out and say i would handle that situation on a case by case basis. if decent means tight passive, then i would just limp with the suited connectors and small pairs and probably only raise 77+ big aces, KJ, and KQ. i can't remember me actually doing that in practice though.