How good are these starting hands?

[Insistent_]

Hi there.
I'm playing some PLO $10 to learn the fundamentals of the game.
I would like to hear something about each hand.

1. 7654
How big a hand is this? From crap ---> monster?
Does it even matter if it is suited or double suited.
The flush draw will be low... does it matter a lot short-handed?
How much does a gap decrease the value of my hand?
It is more important to be "non-gapping" than suited here right?

2. 7889 single-suited
Fold from early pos 6-handed? How about late position?

3. How about thrashy double-suited like JTs 74s?
Could it be used for anything else than a steal?

Thanks so much for every answer that can improve my game. =>

[sc000t]

1) That hand is a great hand for me. I play short handed so obv the fewer players the more I like that hand. These sort of hands are great for raising, and in my games, reraising aggressive players. It allows you to widen your preflop raising ranges so your opponents dont get easy reads on your hand and it also allows you to represent a wide range of hands post flop. Also its easier to get paid off with these hands than higher connectors or AAxx/KKxx types. Yes obv you want them suited or double suited. I would rather have double suited one gapper than no suited connector.

2) I raise that 6 handed at alot of tables. Very game dependent though, I can make cases for raising UTG and cases for folding UTG really. Late position Im def raising that hand, esp if I can open the action.

3) Very trashy, I just open fold those in early positions, I'd steal from button/position and wouldnt be scared to play a flop but I would usually end up checking behind alot of turn cards with those hands and try to keep the pot small.

[Ribbo]

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Hi there.
I'm playing some PLO $10 to learn the fundamentals of the game.
I would like to hear something about each hand.

1. 7654
How big a hand is this? From crap ---> monster?
Does it even matter if it is suited or double suited.
The flush draw will be low... does it matter a lot short-handed?
How much does a gap decrease the value of my hand?
It is more important to be "non-gapping" than suited here right?

2. 7889 single-suited
Fold from early pos 6-handed? How about late position?

3. How about thrashy double-suited like JTs 74s?
Could it be used for anything else than a steal?

Thanks so much for every answer that can improve my game. =>

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Hands ALWAYS matter being doublesuited over being unsuited.

[paulw]

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Hands ALWAYS matter being doublesuited over being unsuited.

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Ribbo,

If you had a hand like 4567 double suited and flopped a flush draw with no other redraw, how would you play it?

As I tried to write my question I guess I realised its a pretty stupid question and pretty hard to answer. I guess it depends on your opponents, your position and how the board might connect with their hand. I guess when I have a hand like 4567 I don't tend to worry about suits because i'm rarely playing them trying to make a flush. I guess I am thinking about it all wrong and/or not in depth enough. Interested in more thoughts on this hand from everyone.

Cheers

[KSOT]

Paul, you generally don't play them to make a flush, but from time to time you will wind up backdooring one in big pots when you were going for something else. That, and it's always nice to freeroll someone when you both flop the nut straight.

[AMT]

insistent,

in general, you want all 4 cards to work together somehow. wrap potential, big set potential, nut straight/flush potential...youre looking for nut draws and good redraws when the situation warrants. often in omaha the bare nuts on the flop arent much to write home about, and sometimes it is even correct to fold it given that a lot of big draw hands have much more pot equity then the bare flopped nuts in certain situations. you should look for this type of characteristic in your starting hands as well. that said:

7654 can be a very powerful hand...its often not necessarily a hand youd put a lot of money in pf with unless you pegged a player on AA and were deep enough to make a profitable run down situation, but it is a hand with a lot of draw potential and is reasonably profitable to take flops with.

7889 single suited is playable at a shorthanded table, not overly powerful....certainly limpable in early position and raise worthy when opening late at a lot of tables shorthanded.

i dont really get your last hand...but it seems like a trashy hand and probably doesnt warrant much play if its not for cheap/free out of the blind or HU or something like that.

[Elrazor]

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If you had a hand like 4567 double suited and flopped a flush draw with no other redraw, how would you play it?



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With this type of hand you are not looking to hit the flush or flush draw, you are looking to hit a straight, hope someone else has a straight and use your flush cards for redraws - if you flop nothing but the flush draw with this hands its pretty unplayable without strong reads