Huge Downswing at NL50, Analyze these hands for me

SkeetyMcdoogle · #1 10-27-2007, 12:51 AM

I'm doing something glaringly wrong I think, do any of you guys fold these? I have no stats on villains.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($42.95)
UTG ($32.65)
MP ($46.70)
Hero ($45.95)
Button ($37.95)
SB ($27.25)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP raises to $1.5, Hero raises to $7.5, 3 folds, MP calls $6.

Flop: ($15.75) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $12, MP calls $12.

Turn: ($39.75) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP checks, Hero checks.

River: ($39.75) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP bets $27.2 (All-In), Hero calls $26.45 (All-In).

Final Pot: $92.65

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($56.60)
MP ($121.65)
Hero ($51.25)
SB ($98.80)
BB ($52.30)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises to $2, 1 fold, BB raises to $8, Hero raises to $24, BB calls $16.

Flop: ($48.25) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $27.25 (All-In), BB calls $27.25.

Turn: ($0) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($0) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $102.75

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (4 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($59.90)
UTG ($68.65)
Button ($153.95)
SB ($32.80)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG raises to $2, Button calls $2, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.50.

Flop: ($6.25) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, Button bets $2.5, Hero calls $2.50, UTG folds.

Turn: ($11.25) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $6, Button raises to $15, Hero raises to $55.4, Button calls $40.40.

River: ($122.05) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: $122.05

I obviously wouldnt be posting these if I had won them, but I still dont really see any obvious spots where I should have folded. Are these coolers or would you guys slow down somewhere in these hands?

Profish2285 · #2 10-27-2007, 12:53 AM

Hand 1: Bet the turn, not sure why you checked. Not folding river regardless though so whatever.
Hand 2: If youre going to go all in on any flop, then just shove pre flop. As played, check the turn.
Hand 3: If I donk turn, I am doing it to 3 bet all in. That is what you did, so nh. Painfully standard.

LT22 · #3 10-27-2007, 12:56 AM

hand 1 is fine, just never fold

hand 2 I hate the 4b unless he's been doing this a ton (you have position, use it)

hand 3 fine once u see the flop, although I might fold PF especially if UTG is tight. squeeze is also a very profitable play here

SkeetyMcdoogle · #4 10-27-2007, 12:56 AM

Hand 1 I checked because I would love 88-JJ to think a whiffed AK and call a river shove. Is this terrible?

Hand 2 you shove $48 into a $10 pot?

kindergartencop · #5 10-27-2007, 12:58 AM

im a nit but i fold the third hand pre, i dont think your b/3b turn is gettin called by worse unless button is a donk in third hand. first is def. fine. 2nd doesnt seem too bad, i already commented on it in your other thread.

Profish2285 · #6 10-27-2007, 12:59 AM

Hand 1: Its not terrible, I just usually dont do it because I figure I get paid off from those hands whether I bet the turn or river.
Hand 2: No, not usually, but thats the point I was trying to make, just didnt feel like typing it all out but oh well, might as well. I dont like 4 betting JJ pf almost ever. I need a very good reason to do so. I like seeing a flop once its 3 bet. However, if I was to 4 bet and told myself no matter what, I am not folding the flop, then just shove. I mean youre letting AK hit on the flop and stack you for free but just pushing any flop. The 4 bet puts in half your stack, but you dont have to put in the other half on bad boards. But again, this could all be avoided by not 4 betting JJ.

wooziephantom · #7 10-27-2007, 01:16 AM

Hand 1: I think it's fine. The check on the turn is quite okay since not many river cards will scare YOU off.. But I probably would be inclined to push turn to extract value from a weak op like jj, TT, since there are a lot of cards that might scare him off. not saying he'll pay u off with those hands, but many cards that will close down action..So he called a three bet without proper odds for set value and hit, cooler

Second hand: This on the other hand I don't like much... Four bet jj only gets called by better hands, never ak as I think that is a push or fold in this situation. As played I guess u have to push whatever flop that comes, so much money in there and the K might be a scarecard for villain, but he's not folding many hands that have u beat here either.. In fact the only hands u beat here is air. interested in what he had here tho, can't see him flatting with kk, maybe with aces... I really don't know...

Third hand: Played fine, u will get paid of a lot by worse jacks here

Profish2285 · #8 10-27-2007, 01:21 AM

For people saying to fold pf in hand 3, note its 4 handed. So an utg is actually a CO raise.

SkeetyMcdoogle · #9 10-27-2007, 01:25 AM

In the JJ hand, villain was extremely aggro (36/24/6) and had 3 bet my last two button raises.

Does this change anyones opinion, or do you still like the "call the 3-bet. C/R a non AK flop" line.

I think im fighting overaggression with more aggression and its not working

Xanta · #10 10-27-2007, 01:27 AM

Great googly moogly bet the turn in hand 1 people don't fold overpairs ever in 3bet pots.

Hand 2, the 4bet is OKish if he's been playing back at you, I still kinda prefer to see a flop and let him cbet with jacks. Once he calls and the king flops, i'm c/fing all the way down, you beat zilch that he'll bet with. He ain't folding QQ either given the stack to pot ratio.

Hand 3 I lead the flop because I always lead the flop when were 2/3 handed and the board comes paired like this. Also, slowplaying on a paired board makes getting value tough tough tough later on in the hand. Turn play is alright, I mean he most often has a jack, here's hoping you beat it.