Stars 1k call down on 4 straight board

Bond18 · #1 11-13-2007, 09:20 PM

Early in the tournament so no specific read, though i have numbers on villain that are 24/12 3.5 but only over like 40 hands.

I can't really place a reasonable hand for him to have that has an A except maybe AQ, but most of the time that should fold on the flop if he's a reasonable player.

Also, how's my turn check?

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t10/t20
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t3130
UTG+1: t1730
MP1: t2760
MP2: t2890
Hero: t2940
CO: t5350
Button: t2690
SB: t2770
BB: t2740

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP3 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
4 folds, Hero raises to t70, CO calls t70 (pot was t100), Button folds, SB calls t60 (pot was t170), BB folds.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (t230, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t160, CO calls t160 (pot was t390), SB folds.

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (t550, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets t350, Hero calls t350 (pot was t900).

River: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t1250, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets t750, Hero calls t750 (pot was t2000).

Results:
Final pot: t2750

adanthar · #2 11-13-2007, 09:25 PM

in the last year, I've just always folded and thought nothing of it, but I'm curious to see results because it'd be annoying if they somehow learned to bluff there.

furfur · #3 11-13-2007, 09:41 PM

What's range do you put him on on turn. He called ur PR raise and ur flop bet then bet when checked to on turn so reasonable holdings include 55,1010,jj, aq, (kj, aj and a10 less likely b/c he probably would have been happy to check behind). So I think ur right, the only real ace that stands up to the betting sequence is AQ(which is very likely here). He may be doing thin value bet w/ 55,1010,jj or two pair(seems unlikely). So although ur getting almost 3:1 on ur money, I feel like he's flipping over aq a lot here and would probably fold.

Todd Terry · #4 11-13-2007, 09:51 PM

Without specific knowledge of a player, I don't narrow ranges much based on the absence of a check behind on the turn -- specifically here I'd include AJ and AT. I agree with Adanthar that a bet from Villain without an A on the river seems somewhat unlikely, but someone could conclude that you'd probably bet an A on the river if you had one. Flip a coin on this one IMO.

I think I'd bet the turn for value, but I could go either way.

Edit: fixed typo

furfur · #5 11-13-2007, 09:55 PM

you think villain's likely to bet aj or a10 on that turn?

Pudge714 · #6 11-13-2007, 10:00 PM

Fold river he isn't floating the flop and almost every hand has enough showdown value to check back or had an ace in it.

Bond18 · #7 11-13-2007, 10:24 PM

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you think villain's likely to bet aj or a10 on that turn?

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That's another issue, i think he often checks both.

Todd Terry · #8 11-13-2007, 11:28 PM

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you think villain's likely to bet aj or a10 on that turn?

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That's another issue, i think he often checks both.

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I agree with this, but my point was that I wouldn't eliminate either based on the turn bet unless I had some knowledge of how Villain plays. Some are less concerned with pot control than others, some are willing to take stabs at pots on the turn after a c-bettor checks.

Mench · #9 11-14-2007, 12:16 AM

yeah i just fold river.

ZJ123 · #10 11-14-2007, 12:19 AM

i think the river call is a spew to many AJ, AQ, type hands.