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Old 07-06-2007, 07:06 AM
pureklas pureklas is offline
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Default AQ (oes + TP) faces utg NL200

Villain is running at 19/14/1.7 over 400 hands and I haven't seen him do anything of note.

I really wasn't sure how to play this oop. One option could be to fold pf but I really dislike that. His bets look really weak. How is my check call down line? On the river I am getting 4/1 so thats a fairly standard call regardless of what villain has, amirite?

No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $1/$2
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $211.80
UTG+1: $254.90
CO: $359.26
Button: $127.50
SB: $201
HERO: $241.35

Pre-flop: (6 players) HERO is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $8</font>, 4 folds, HERO calls.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($17, 2 players)
HERO checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $12</font>, HERO calls.

Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($41, 2 players)
HERO checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $20</font>, HERO calls.

River: 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($81, 2 players)
HERO checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $25</font>, HERO calls

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Old 07-06-2007, 07:10 AM
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Default Re: AQ (oes + TP) faces utg NL200

I have no idea why you called the flop. Easy fold (or maybe some funky c/r if I had a better read).

Folding the river seems bad, but I don't think it is.
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Old 07-06-2007, 07:12 AM
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Default Re: AQ (oes + TP) faces utg NL200

he has a oesd folding the flop would be far too weak.

The river, meh fold = call probably
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Old 07-06-2007, 07:12 AM
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Default Re: AQ (oes + TP) faces utg NL200

Really? Do you fold the flop to a 12 bet in a 17 pot withh the oesd? If you don't mind giving a little explanation so I can take this on board.
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Old 07-06-2007, 07:23 AM
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Default Re: AQ (oes + TP) faces utg NL200

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Really? Do you fold the flop to a 12 bet in a 17 pot withh the oesd? If you don't mind giving a little explanation so I can take this on board.

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1. OESD. Nice. 8 outs is 4.75:1 to hit on the next card or 2:1 to hit by the river. Getting 2.4:1, you need a little something to make this worth a call:
2. Implied odds. Good luck. You hit with an 8 and the board is a frightening 89TJ. Hit with a K and it's KJT9, only mildly better. Hit with a club and now there are 3-4 cards in the playing zone and a three-flush showing. It's not likely he holds the flush himself, but how much can you really expect to be paid off. Going back to point 1, your odds aren't as good as they seem, plus:
3. You're OOP. If it wasn't gonna be hard enough to extract with your made hand on a scary board, you now have to do it without position. Oh, and
4. RIO if you hit a pair.

You already felt uncomfortable calling the raise preflop. It's b/c when you get semi-desirable flops, it still kinda sucks.
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Old 07-06-2007, 07:25 AM
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Default Re: AQ (oes + TP) faces utg NL200

Flop call isn't as bad as you are making it since we make the nuts with a king and always stack the lone Q.
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Old 07-06-2007, 07:27 AM
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Default Re: AQ (oes + TP) faces utg NL200

Thank you TKO you have definitely opened my eyes a little bit.
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Old 07-06-2007, 07:36 AM
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Default Re: AQ (oes + TP) faces utg NL200

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Flop call isn't as bad as you are making it since we make the nuts with a king and always stack the lone Q.

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Sometimes we'll hit a straight and he'll boat the river. I figure things like this balance each other out.

If you're looking for another reason to call, then I guess we have +7 club bluff outs that we could c/r pretty nicely. But not a great board for that.
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Old 07-06-2007, 08:10 AM
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Default Re: AQ (oes + TP) faces utg NL200

I don't mind the way it was played, he could be three barreling KK,QQ, hoping you had a naked OESD. But I doubt it.

Is anyone here leading the turn? to figure out if the ace is good?
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Old 07-06-2007, 08:18 AM
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Default Re: AQ (oes + TP) faces utg NL200

I don't like the PF call. Playing AQo OOP against an UTG raiser is a nightmare because you have no idea where you stand. I either reraise or fold. Against a 19/14 I prefer a reraise because he likely raises all PP's UTG.
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