Jam this 77 over 4X raise?

[Bond18]

Stars 50+5
My stack :49k
Villains stack: 37k
Blinds 1k/2k with 100 ante.

About 22 players left in a tournament that paid something like 54. I was pretty active leading up to the money but having since entered it had been much more quiet.

Villain was like 15/10 and hadn't seen him do anything weird.
I am CO holding 77, villain his hijack.

Preflop: Folds to villain, villain raises to 8000, hero?


Whats your play here? It doesn't seem like a lot of players would go 4X with a bigger pair (QQ+) on the hijack this deep but they might do it with 88-JJ just trying to take it down. If we shove do we have FE over many hands?

I'd guess 88+ AQ/AK calls us.

[Cornell Fiji]

Without a read: Push

Given your read (I don't use PT but 15/10 means he plays 15% of hands preflop blinds included and 10% of those hands he raises correct?): Fold

[Bond18]

Yes, your read on those stats is correct.

[RonFezBuddy]

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Without a read: Push

Given your read (I don't use PT but 15/10 means he plays 15% of hands preflop blinds included and 10% of those hands he raises correct?): Fold

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It's not that he raises 10% of the 15% that he plays. It means he raises 10% of all hands. Big difference.

I think.

[Bond18]

Good catch Ron, yes, he raises 10% of hands. He plays 15%. So when he sees a flop hes raising 10% of the time and calling/limping the other 5.

[NoahSD]

4x raises on stars tend to be mid pairs that aren't folding, so I fold here unless 4x was his standard.

[BigAlK]

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Good catch Ron, yes, he raises 10% of hands. He plays 15%. So when he sees a flop hes raising 10% of the time and calling/limping the other 5.

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One other difference (minor as it may be) is that the 15% is "voluntarily put money into pot pre-flop." This doesn't directly equate to "% of hands seeing flop." If he sees a free flop from the BB this hand will not be reflected in this percent (completing SB will). If he enters the pot with either a limp or raise and subsequently folds before the flop the hand will still be counted.

[Mr.Poker]

I fold. I keep seeing AK or mid pair when players do this (4xBB). He clearly has a tight raising range but unless you have seen him fold after opening to 4x, i think this is a fold.

[Cornell Fiji]

All,
Thanks for the PT explanation.

Bond,
Sorry for the thread hijack bond. I still fold here

[Bond18]

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All,
Thanks for the PT explanation.

Bond,
Sorry for the thread hijack bond. I still fold here

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YOU HAVE THE [censored] NEVER TO HIJACK MY GOD DAMN THREAD!?!??!?! WHO THE [censored] DO YOU THINK YOU ARE???


Yea i think it was a fold, i jammed here and looked like a moron when he snap called KK. WTF?