Weird NL600 hand, flop OESFD

kurosh · #1 05-04-2006, 02:31 PM

Villain is 22/9/1 and hasn't gotten out of line. 6max NL600 on party.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

CO ($888.70)
Button ($358.29)
Hero ($1237.95)
BB ($576.36)
UTG ($598.95)
MP ($175.95)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $9. Hero posts a blind of $3.
2 folds, CO (poster) checks, 1 fold, Hero (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($21) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $20, BB folds, CO raises to $40, Hero raises to $120, CO calls $80.

Turn: ($261) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

River: ($261) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)

I think I should've bet the turn, given that I checked the turn, what is my river action?

Snygaard · #2 05-04-2006, 02:50 PM

pot it.

WiltOnTilt · #3 05-04-2006, 02:52 PM

Raise more on the flop when you 3bet so you actually have some fold equity.

As played either bet $80 or $300 on the river .

KoW

kurosh · #4 05-04-2006, 03:38 PM

Pot sized reraise on the flop is to $140, so it's not much of a difference.

Why river bet instead of c/r? I think any made hand would have bet the turn, yes? What is going to pay off a pot-sized bet? Most of his 2-pair and pair + draw hands would have been raised PF. I am just hoping for something like A2c or Axc that will pay it off? I get bluff-raised sometimes probably and that is good... but besides that, why isn't c/r superior? Wouldn't any hand, that pays off a river bet, bet the river itself?

junkmail3 · #5 05-04-2006, 03:41 PM

Isn't a pot sized raise $160?

I would raise it to $160 on the flop anyway.

I don't know about the river. You might get two pair to call a bet, but I don't know if two pair would really bet that scary azz board.

Big_Jim · #6 05-04-2006, 03:43 PM

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Why river bet instead of c/r?

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I think villian is too passive (judging only by stats) to go for the c/r.

Against a normal opponent, c/r is much better.

Lucky · #7 05-04-2006, 03:47 PM

bet 200 on river, whatever you think villain calls with
Ac2c.

IRV · #8 05-04-2006, 03:49 PM

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Raise more on the flop when you 3bet so you actually have some fold equity.

As played either bet $80 or $300 on the river .

KoW

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No, we don't want FE since we are a favorite against TP and 2 pair hands. We want them to call. A set is only pushing over any raise so I think a 120 bet is puuuurrrrfecto!

Oh, OP, the cash in your avatar... hit a live mtt?

Lucky · #9 05-04-2006, 03:57 PM

no, when turn comes hero is 2 to 1 dog against KQo.

You're behind on flop (unless he has lower flush draw or whatever), so its great if he folds on flop.

Big_Jim · #10 05-04-2006, 04:00 PM

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No, we don't want FE since we are a favorite against TP and 2 pair hands. We want them to call.

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This is very, very wrong.

Even if the bet was all in, we would want him to fold.

The fact that we have more streets to play, OOP, makes us root for a fold, even more.