Baseball ruling - You make the call.

[Jim Kuhn]

Barry Bonds comes up to the plate with Juan Pierre on second and two outs in the ninth inning to face Takashi Saito. On the first pitch Bonds turns on an inside fastball and crunches a home run over the right field wall. However, on the swing Bonds caught his right spike in the dirt twisting his knee and tearing his ACL. Bonds goes down in a heap, twisting and turning in agony. He is carried off the field on a stretcher.

Juan Pierre crosses the plate with the tying run....... or is it? Giants manager Bruce Bochy and Dodgers manager Grady Little both rush onto the field to plead their cases. Bruce Bochy claims the home run gives the Giants the lead and Grady Little claims the game is over as Bonds did not touch first base and should be called out upon leaving the field.

What is the correct call? Is it an out? Does the runner from second score? Does a pinch runner get to take Bonds place? For a single? For a home run? Does Bonds get credited with a run scored? Does Bonds get credited with his 755th home run? What is the correct ruling?

Thank you,

Jim Kuhn
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[CrazyPsycho]

I'm pretty sure you get a pinch runner to run the HR out. If he can't continue due to injury, you are allowed a PR. I heard this on some telecast this year, citing I believe Gabe Kapler injuring himself after homering.

Found this:

Instead of going home, Kapler was loaded onto a cart and taken off the field, leading to a scene so rare that an umpiring crew that included John Hirschbeck, a big-league ump for over 22 years, and Wally Bell (13 years), had never witnessed it. While Graffanino waited at second base -- he would have been out if he had passed the runner -- a pinch runner, Alejandro Machado, entered the game.

That substitution was allowed under the Official Rules of Major League Baseball 5.10 (c), which reads: ''When an accident incapacitates a player or an umpire:

(1) If an accident to a runner is such as to prevent him from proceeding to a base to which he is entitled, as on a home run hit out of the playing field . . . a substitute runner shall be permitted to complete the play."

[andnow]

First off, why did you not just use Dave Roberts or Randy Wynn in your made up scenario, actual Giants players, instead of Juan Pierre?

To situation, easy call, home run would be the correct call. Bonds gets credit for score, and credit for the home run. Just scored like a normal home run, doesn't matter if he got carried off the field.

[CrazyPsycho]

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First off, why did you not just use Dave Roberts or Randy Wynn in your made up scenario, actual Giants players, instead of Juan Pierre?

To situation, easy call, home run would be the correct call. Bonds gets credit for score, and credit for the home run. Just scored like a normal home run, doesn't matter if he got carried off the field.

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I don't know if he gets credit for the run or not, as someone has to physically run it out.

[THAY3R]

I think a certain someone needs to get a restraining order on Jim Kuhn ASAP

[andnow]

Pretty sure he still gets credit for the run.

Just like how if a pitcher gets injured in the middle of an at bat, and has to be replaced by a relief pitcher, the original pitcher gets credit for whatever happens in the AB.

For example, if the relief pitcher gives up a home run, the home run is credited to the original pitcher who left in the middle of the AB. If relief pitcher gets an out, the out is credited to the original pitcher and so on.

This is how the "Bonds home run/injury" situation would play out. Bonds would still get the credit for the run, home run, and RBIs.

[Jim Kuhn]

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Just like how if a pitcher gets injured in the middle of an at bat, and has to be replaced by a relief pitcher, the original pitcher gets credit for whatever happens in the AB.

For example, if the relief pitcher gives up a home run, the home run is credited to the original pitcher who left in the middle of the AB. If relief pitcher gets an out, the out is credited to the original pitcher and so on.

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I am pretty sure this relief pitcher information is incorrect. I don't have time at the moment to research but can later if nobody else does the research.

Thank you,

Jim Kuhn
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[nutshot2]

The relief pitcher takes the stats for whatever happens in his inherited at-bat, except if he inherits a count with one or more balls in it, and walks the batter. In that case, the walk is charged to the injured pitcher.

[Jim Kuhn]

So if the relief pitcher comes in with a 1-2 count and walks the batter the injured pitcher is charged with the walk? Do you have a section of the rulebook for that ruling? Otherwise I can search later.

Thank you,

Jim Kuhn
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[tereg]

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So if the relief pitcher comes in with a 1-2 count and walks the batter the injured pitcher is charged with the walk? Do you have a section of the rulebook for that ruling? Otherwise I can search later.

Thank you,

Jim Kuhn
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Rule 10.18 (h) Example (1)

(1) If, when pitchers are changed, the count is
2 balls, no strike,
2 balls, 1 strike,
3 balls, no strike,
3 balls, 1 strike,
3 balls, 2 strikes,

and the batter gets a base on balls, charge that batter and the base on balls to the preceding pitcher, not to the relief pitcher.