Fold JJ Preflop?

[Smoke em']

I have never seen BB raise, I have seen him limp AK. CO is 18/6 over 400+ hands. This is an acceptable time to fold?

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Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
3 folds, MP1 calls, 2 folds, CO calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises</font>, SB folds, <font color="#cc0000">BB 3-bets</font>, MP1 folds, <font color="#cc0000">CO caps</font>, Hero folds

[DrModern]

No. Easy call.

[Smoke em']

What could they have with those stats that I could be ahead of?

[MrWookie]

AK

[Smoke em']

I figured BB had to have AA-QQ since it was the first time I had seen him raise and he had showed down a limped AK before, was that assumption wrong?

[milesdyson]

CO is full of sht anyway but the main thing here is that there will be 13.5 bets in the pot going to the flop. you have to put 2 in there. you're getting almost 6:1.

micros needs a newsflash. pocket pairs make sets. sets win lots against overpairs.

this is a call with 22 if you misclick raised the first time.

[stormy455]

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micros needs a newsflash. pocket pairs make sets. sets win lots against overpairs.


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What's up with all the weak-tight preflop play around here? We had a 44 hand yesterday like this. Call this flop, but tread carefully if the flop is all undercards. I'm not sure how often we'll be good with just an overpair here.

[antneye]

I am feeling so good after reading these threads. You see, I've been feeling like I have been playing a little weak tight since I moved up to 1/2. This makes me realize I am nowhere near weak tight.

CALL ALREADY!!!!!!!!!

Don't mean to be sarcastic, but even if you know he has AA you need to call here and see what happens. if an A or K hits thats life. If unders fall, tread carefully. If we hit our set JACKPOT.

[Xhad]

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CO is full of sht anyway but the main thing here is that there will be 13.5 bets in the pot going to the flop. you have to put 2 in there. you're getting almost 6:1.

micros needs a newsflash. pocket pairs make sets. sets win lots against overpairs.

this is a call with 22 if you misclick raised the first time.

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Seriously. Also there's no law that says you have to decide right now if you're going to show down UI or not, and you do have the button.

Basically the only time you should fold JJ preflop is for four bets cold.

[Marquoz]

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Basically the only time you should fold JJ preflop is for four bets cold.

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Miller/Sklansky say you should fold JJ against a raise and reraise in front of you, and I tend to agree if you respect the raisers and there aren't cold callers along for the ride. Here's the quote from HEPFAP, page 25.

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If you hold JJ and the pot has been raised and reraised before the action gets to you, you should fold. This is correct even when you are in middle or late position

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Miller says something similar in SSHE. The risk of being up against a bigger pocket pair or big cards that hit the flop and leave you behind is, in their eyes, too much to show a consistent profit with JJ in this situation. Naturally, there are times to play JJ against a PF raiser and reraiser--maniacs, enough cold callers to try for the set, whatever--but it's normally a fold.

The OP's hand, of course, is an easy call--you've already put in two bets.