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Old 10-04-2007, 09:35 AM
ranka ranka is offline
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Default NL25: AA. Second probe bet on the turn.

Reads: Villain 20/7/2.7 - 30 hands.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($29.45)
BB ($5.55)
UTG ($9.05)
UTG+1 ($26.50)
MP1 ($30.75)
MP2 ($12.85)
MP3 ($2.95)
Hero ($37.15)
Button ($24.30)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls $0.90, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: ($2.25) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $0.75</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $3.75</font>, SB calls $3.

Turn: ($9.75) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $1.5</font>, Hero calls or raises and why?

I hate these probe bets. I dont know what they means, sometimes hand, sometimes draw, sometimes they just testing your hand to bluff you out in next street. Grrrrr!
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Old 10-04-2007, 10:04 AM
CalledDownLight CalledDownLight is offline
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Default Re: NL25: AA. Second probe bet on the turn.

I never know what they mean either so I make it like $13 here and commit to the pot.
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Old 10-04-2007, 10:36 AM
AlexB182 AlexB182 is offline
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Default Re: NL25: AA. Second probe bet on the turn.

This is one of the rare moments where I might even call down with AA. You could easily be behind right now, but you don't know for sure and you get gread odds. He could also have choosen a strange line to play his FD, maybe he hopes he gets a cheap river card that way... Problem of just calling is: what do you do when river is a blank and he fires big, say 2/3 of the pot.
CDL's line definetly has the big advantage that your commited anyway and don't have to make more difficult decisions on the river.
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Old 10-04-2007, 10:40 AM
swainy swainy is offline
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Default Re: NL25: AA. Second probe bet on the turn.

looking at that board, I think he is most likely on a draw, making a small bet. You should raise more to $4.50 i think on the flop to make him pay.
He did not RR you on the flop, and now he's making another tiny bet on turn, so i dont think he is on a set or 2pair (67s), reinforcing my feeling that he's trying to get a cheap draw.
I think you should raise to $14 here.... gives him terrible odds to call with a draw, and we want him to make mistakes. If he has a PP like 88-JJ we want to commit right here as you will likely stack him here because he's probably not putting u on premium cards from the CO.
If you merely call, u give him a chance to draw out... bad. You also lose value as a drawing hand is not going to put any more money in on the river and a PP is unlikely to commit all the chips on the river without a set.
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Old 10-04-2007, 10:49 AM
AlexB182 AlexB182 is offline
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Default Re: NL25: AA. Second probe bet on the turn.

Hey swainy, I understand your reasoning but from my experience, people don't bet on the turn again after being raised on the flop with only a draw. Therefore, I'm really afraid of being up against a real hand, either a set or maybe a two pair like 76 and for this reason, I'm not completely sure whether we should commit at this point.
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Old 10-04-2007, 10:52 AM
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Default Re: NL25: AA. Second probe bet on the turn.

I've faced bets like these with overpairs recently as well. My guess is they are playing "blocking bets" after reading an article or book. I've been raising hard as has been recommended here. I do not like giving cheap cards in this situation!
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Old 10-04-2007, 10:54 AM
PokerFun007 PokerFun007 is offline
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Default Re: NL25: AA. Second probe bet on the turn.

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Hey swainy, I understand your reasoning but from my experience, people don't bet on the turn again after being raised on the flop with only a draw. Therefore, I'm really afraid of being up against a real hand, either a set or maybe a two pair like 76 and for this reason, I'm not completely sure whether we should commit at this point.

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This could also be the very reason he is making this second small bet...he's thinking we'll be afraid of it and give him the odds he's looking for.
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Old 10-04-2007, 11:07 AM
AlexB182 AlexB182 is offline
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Default Re: NL25: AA. Second probe bet on the turn.

Might be, but this is deeper thinking than I guess somebody who bets 1.5 in a 9.75 pot is capable of. Only my opinion of course.
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Old 10-04-2007, 11:09 AM
Mike Kelley Mike Kelley is offline
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Default Re: NL25: AA. Second probe bet on the turn.

This is 97% a draw. I'm gonna do my pooh bah post on these someday.

Jam it. you are ahead right now.
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Old 10-04-2007, 11:12 AM
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Default Re: NL25: AA. Second probe bet on the turn.

Gotta charge those draws that bet reeks of weakness.
If it's a big hand make a note and move on.
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