How did I play these jacks in The Ferguson torny

ceegee · #1 08-22-2007, 03:16 AM

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t120/t240
(Ante: t25)
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t9099
UTG+1: t270
MP1: t4692
Hero: t11690
MP3: t1777
CO: t6733
Button: t8435
SB: t9352
BB: t20913

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG calls t240 (pot was t585), 2 folds, Hero raises to t720, 5 folds, UTG calls t480 (pot was t1545).

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t2025, 2 players)
UTG bets t240, Hero calls t240 (pot was t2265).

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (t2505, 2 players)
UTG bets t240, Hero calls t240 (pot was t2745).

River: 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (t2985, 2 players)
UTG bets t240, Hero calls t240 (pot was t3225).

Results:
Final pot: t3465

benneh · #2 08-22-2007, 03:23 AM

you've got position and chips. pop him on the flop to 1300 and see what happens.

levAA · #3 08-22-2007, 04:27 AM

I don't think you have done a very good job here.

Preflop raise is good.

On the flop villain bets 240 into a 2025 pot - so i would raise here any time to 1k-1,5k.

Villain's turn and river bets are still weaker than the flop bet. you can be relatively sure to be in front, so you have to raise.

JJ postflop is a somewhat risky hand, as you have many scare cards. here the K obviously hasn't helped villain, but you still have to fear any A or Q, and there are some flush and straight possibilities on the board.

therefor it's important to put pressure on villain.

JammyDodga · #4 08-22-2007, 04:37 AM

If someone bets 250 into a 2k pot, I'm raising with ATC, let alone JJ. He's weak 9 times out of 10, bet it big and take it down right there.

halpgr · #5 08-22-2007, 10:31 AM

Preflop raise is a bit low, better to make it 960.

Postflop I don't really mind your line. Villain could have a flush draw or some 2nd best hand. If you're behind to some Kx hand then I don't think he's folding to any raise. I expect Villain will often have some weak Kx here.

Just calling him down gets it to showdown cheaply while allowing him to stay around and keep putting money in.

ciro bonano · #6 08-22-2007, 11:29 AM

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Just calling him down gets it to showdown cheaply while allowing him to stay around and keep putting money in.

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That's a good argument against a known bluffer where you are WA/WB and he is actually betting. In this case, Villain can draw very cheap with a flushdraw. Would you also check behind every street if Villain checks it? Betting 1/10th of the pot is equal to checking in my book. If the flop was K72r and Villain has a high WTSD percentage I wouldn't mind this play.

halpgr · #7 08-22-2007, 12:33 PM

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Just calling him down gets it to showdown cheaply while allowing him to stay around and keep putting money in.

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That's a good argument against a known bluffer where you are WA/WB and he is actually betting. In this case, Villain can draw very cheap with a flushdraw. Would you also check behind every street if Villain checks it? Betting 1/10th of the pot is equal to checking in my book. If the flop was K72r and Villain has a high WTSD percentage I wouldn't mind this play.

[/ QUOTE ]These fish minbets are annoying but they can be difficult for me to play against some times. If he checks the flop I'm cbetting at least 1/2 PSB. The flop donk throws me off. Perhaps I should treat the flop minbet as a check and raise him to 1/2 PSB. I was thinking a WA/WB line on this hand.