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Old 07-11-2007, 12:16 PM
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Default AJ 3-bet from blinds, oh no ive hit the Jack

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
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Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
3 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $3.5</font>, SB folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $13</font>, Button calls.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($26.5, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $16</font>, Button calls.

Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($58.5, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets $35</font>, Hero?

Villain is 20/11/1.3. Hero TAG.

At the time i thought QQ was likely in his range and medium pairs, even JJ (not likely). I think he would 4-bet AA/KK. Not sure whether he bets those other medium pairs on the turn or whether he'd have floated Jx on the flop.

Villain has 36 left, Hero covers.

Do you hate anything else about the hand?
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Old 07-11-2007, 12:18 PM
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Default Re: AJ 3-bet from blinds, oh no ive hit the Jack

clear shove at this point as villain puts you on ak and might have TT or lower
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Old 07-11-2007, 12:22 PM
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Default Re: AJ 3-bet from blinds, oh no ive hit the Jack

This is a tough spot and the main reason I hate 3-betting AJ from a blind position. When villain calls, he usually has AK, AA-TT here and his range is not much more than that. His range is large as he's in an obvious stealing situation, but he's not calling your 3-bet with anything you beat.

You might see a hand like AK or TT here floating you on the flop and trying to steal or even thinking he is good on the turn, but I think you're much more likely against a hand like AA-JJ here.
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Old 07-11-2007, 12:30 PM
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Default Re: AJ 3-bet from blinds, oh no ive hit the Jack

like it was stated, i don't like 3 betting AJ against someone with these stats, too much uncertainty no matter what the flop is...
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Old 07-11-2007, 12:40 PM
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Default Re: AJ 3-bet from blinds, oh no ive hit the Jack

3 betting preflop with AJo against taggy opponents=SPEW
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Old 07-11-2007, 12:51 PM
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Default Re: AJ 3-bet from blinds, oh no ive hit the Jack

Could villain call your 3bet with A9, 89s or T9s here ? A 20/11 rarely, but occasionally does it. I don't see any other hand in his calling range that contains a 9. Your turn check shows weakness and villain won't believe you on the 9 given the action.

I think this is a really good spot for a 2nd barrel, representing either QQ/KK/AA or one of the mentioned hands above. Here vilain hasn't got much left, but I doubt calling his allin raise is profitable, since he knows he won't have any FE, and you showed great strength. If he raises you AI here, a muck seems to be the best play.

As you see, being OOP and unsure as to how to react to a bet, checking puts you in a tough situation. Calling is out of question if you plan to fold to his last 30 on the river.
The only hands that will call a raise that you beat are KJ and QJ.. But you get called by A9, 89, T9, JJ, QQ (possibly 33 as well...) and lose. All these hands are likely to flat call flop and fire on the turn, whereas KJ and QJ are really unlikely.

So I think it's a fold.
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Old 07-11-2007, 12:52 PM
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Default Re: AJ 3-bet from blinds, oh no ive hit the Jack

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3 betting preflop with AJo against taggy opponents=SPEW

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not really. villain folds vv often and we take his monies.


OP: gotta stick it in now and see what he has....might have QQ but TT/99/88 are def in there too.
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Old 07-11-2007, 02:23 PM
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Default Re: AJ 3-bet from blinds, oh no ive hit the Jack

I wasnt overly happy bout my 3-bet but didnt hate it. Put me in a tricky spot tho. i'm not bet folding the turn. I spose. Check/Shove is only thing i can do with out a strong read that this guy doesnt call 3-bets/cbets light. I shoved
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Old 07-11-2007, 02:28 PM
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Default Re: AJ 3-bet from blinds, oh no ive hit the Jack

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not 3 betting preflop with AJo against taggy opponents raising from the button=SPEW

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FYP

And, shove now. He will have 88 and 77 sometimes too, won't he?
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Old 07-11-2007, 02:30 PM
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Default Re: AJ 3-bet from blinds, oh no ive hit the Jack

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3 betting preflop with AJo against taggy opponents=SPEW

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not really. villain folds vv often and we take his monies.


OP: gotta stick it in now and see what he has....might have QQ but TT/99/88 are def in there too.

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Woopie... we take 4BB...

More often than not, we are stuck playing a dominated hand OOP. His range is really tight, he's not folding too many hands in that range to our 3 bet.
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