Give me a plan

[Dan Bitel]

Villain is 27/21/3. I've been reasonably active preflop. We've not tangled yet.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $259.75
Hero (BB): $287.55
UTG: $199.00
MP: $193.40
CO: $30.00
BTN: $230.10

Preflop: Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
3 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $7.00</font>, SB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $22.00</font>, BTN calls $15.00

Flop: ($45) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)

[RainbowBright]

Bet fold seems pretty standard. If he calls the flop... I don't mind a turn bet at all.

[RainbowBright]

fwiw, i know that bet-fold might not be as +EV as other lines. However, the problem with check-calling on the flop and then check folding or check calling the turn is that our hand is pretty transparent and there's not alot of A high hands that we play this way (although this might be a good way to play AQ).

and given that the villain is very aggressive, i believe he's capable of bluffing us off w a worse hand.

[Nielsio]

I can't think of many hands that I check the flop with after pfr-ing on a board that has a high-card.

[Felix Felicis]

Obviously I don't like the flop, but I don't believe it is correct to just give up. I would bet ~30$ and fold to a raise. If he just calls, I would not fire a non J turn.

[Dan Bitel]

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $259.75
Hero (BB): $287.55
UTG: $199.00
MP: $193.40
CO: $30.00
BTN: $230.10

Preflop: Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
3 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $7.00</font>, SB folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $22.00</font>, BTN calls $15.00

Flop: ($45) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red"> Hero bets $30,</font> <font color="red"> BTN raises to $87, </font>Hero.....?

[TDouble]

Dan when you say "relatively active" you mean like he's gonna peel the flop here w/ 88 or he's just calling the r/r w/ AQ type of active? Obv important as you end up folding the best hand sometimes

I think it depends cause normally I'd say easy bet/giveup if called. I think a more interesting question is after you bet and are called what are you doing on [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] turns?

I wouldn't c/c the flop unless you've got some history to work with. Even then wtf he could get QQ to showdown and we'd be kicking ourselves for not betting the flop

[0evg0]

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I can't think of many hands that I check the flop with after pfr-ing on a board that has a high-card.

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exploitable leak

[PBJaxx]

Wow. I know I am gonna come across like a prick here, but this is why calling 3-bets in position can be profitable with a wide range.

Since this is a relative unknown, we will take meta and balancing out of the equation here.

AK probably 4-bets at least 50%+ time preflop, so pull some of that out of his range. AQ usually won't raise this flop. AJ is unlikely (we have JJ, LDO). TBH, I don't expect any aces to raise as the A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] is on the board. Generally, KK and QQ don't raise either.

I would expect his range to be a discounted subset of sets (they won't always raise), bare flush draws, a pair w/FD, 45, small subset of 56 type hands, and midPPs/rags as a bluff with effective air.

I would like to see what everyone's lines are against this range. Assume we know he doesn't have any A, KK, or QQ, how do you play it?

Edit: added pair+FD

[Isura]

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I can't think of many hands that I check the flop with after pfr-ing on a board that has a high-card.

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exploitable leak

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impossible to say w/o more info