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Old 02-20-2007, 09:07 PM
The DaveR The DaveR is offline
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Default It don\'t take a weatherman to know which way the wind blows

Mirage 40 game, 7 handed. 3 limpers and I raise red KK in the SB, Hobbs calls, limpers call.

Flop is A4T rainbow, two red cards one club. I bet, Hobbs calls, button--a straightfoward player who thinks calls.

Turn is the 2 of clubs. I bet because these two players will peel the flop with 5 outs, Hobbs calls with what is obviously an Ace.

River is a blank 3 so I bet, but I think checkraising might be better.
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Old 02-20-2007, 09:11 PM
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Default Re: It don\'t take a weatherman to know which way the wind blows

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Hobbs calls with what is obviously an Ace.
River is a blank 3 so I bet, but I think checkraising might be better.


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i don't know what your history is with hobbs but no 2p2er ever folds top pair vs me like ever ever ever no matter what i do hu. though checkraising would be the way to do it if he would fold.

edit to add: incidentally if he is the type to make a thin value raise with a naked ace, like AQ or something, then a 3-bet may get him to fold.
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Old 02-20-2007, 09:50 PM
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Default Re: It don\'t take a weatherman to know which way the wind blows

Hobbs was not born yesterday. He is seeing a showdown with an Ace vs. the DaveR, especially one that he defended his BB with.
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Old 02-20-2007, 10:13 PM
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Default Re: It don\'t take a weatherman to know which way the wind blows

A82 or A84, I think, Daver. No broadway on this board. Think the final board was A8345 or thereabouts.

Rob
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Old 02-21-2007, 03:54 AM
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Default Re: It don\'t take a weatherman to know which way the wind blows

Checkraising is better than betting but you're missing the best option.

-Michael
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Old 02-21-2007, 06:31 AM
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Default Re: It don\'t take a weatherman to know which way the wind blows

if you do try to check here what does he think you are going to pay off w/?
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Old 02-21-2007, 09:34 AM
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Default Re: It don\'t take a weatherman to know which way the wind blows

checkraising is def better, but i still doubt it will have the desired effect. he's come this far...
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Old 02-21-2007, 01:00 PM
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Default Re: It don\'t take a weatherman to know which way the wind blows

If he obviously has an A, why are you betting the river? This is a case of the 2+2 mantra: "If he's calling the turn, he's calling the river".

I suppose that you could go for a c/r, but I don't think he's folding to it. In addition, he might not quite have enough of a hand to bet the river or he could figure you for attempting the sexy, so he just might foil you and check behind and you can see his A for nothing on the river. I suppose that he might have something like JT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], picked up a club draw on the turn and just might make a curiosity call, but that's a longer shot.
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Old 02-21-2007, 01:33 PM
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Default Re: It don\'t take a weatherman to know which way the wind blows

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checkraising is def better, but i still doubt it will have the desired effect. he's come this far...

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From ample past experience, Hobbs does not like to fold to hubristic river bluff attempts against 2+2ers he knows well.

Was he ordering Jager shots by this point? Was he playing a lag pile? Those facts may have some bearing.
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Old 02-21-2007, 04:51 PM
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Default Re: It don\'t take a weatherman to know which way the wind blows

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A82 or A84, I think, Daver. No broadway on this board. Think the final board was A8345 or thereabouts.

Rob

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A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

yup. Also, this hand happened around 6pm so I was only on drink 5 or 6 at the time to answer W's question.
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