FTP 18k: good ol' jacks

fsoyars · #1 09-25-2007, 03:25 AM

No reads on OR, other than they haven't gotten out of line and seem fairly standard/taggy. CO has been pretty wild and seems pretty bad. Thoughts on all streets pls.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t60/t120
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t7500
UTG+1: t1855
MP1: t17064
MP2: t6976
MP3: t3186
CO: t1619
Hero: t10100
SB: t980
BB: t4290

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG raises to t320, 4 folds, CO calls t320 (pot was t500), Hero calls t320 (pot was t820), 2 folds.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (t1140, 3 players)
UTG bets t600, CO raises all-in t1299, Hero calls t1299 (pot was t3039), UTG calls t699 (pot was t4338).

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (t5037, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: t5037)
UTG bets t3000, Hero?

kniper · #2 09-25-2007, 03:46 AM

My first instinct here is that villain would probably push TT, 99, AKs/AQs on the flop, especially with CO's push here and your call. I don't know what you beat here.

PF I probably raise here, though I can understand why you would flat call here with UTG's stack. UTG's raise is kind of weak so bump it up to 1400 or so. I think you can fold to a subsequent UTG push.

nath · #3 09-25-2007, 06:27 AM

squiggy this preflop

as played, nizzles

tomek322 · #4 09-25-2007, 08:11 AM

fold

levAA · #5 09-25-2007, 09:24 AM

The pot is big, so i think you need a good reason to fold here.

From the betting so far an overpair from UTG is likely - so say he is TT+. High SC like KQs,QJs may also be in his range, and of course high Aces.

I think you can be up against an overpair - which is most likely here and you can only beat TT. But I wouldn't dicount the possibility he plays something like AhKh, KhQh here, as he didn't push on the flop after the raise from CO, which he should if he plays a high PP on this draw-heavy board with your flat call.

On the river you get odds of nearly 1:3 so for me this is a call.

BarryLyndon · #6 09-25-2007, 10:05 AM

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squiggy this preflop

as played, nizzles

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Agreed. You are deep enough to make a raise and isolate here, given the donkey's propensity to overplay hands he will get it in and you may get UTG to fold AQ.

Flop is perfect.

Turn is a fold. I mean, what is UTG doing here, betting AK? You are only beating 1010/99, and both of those hands, I suspect, slow down on the turn. So you can't factor them in as heavily as all the hands you don't beat.

I guess what threw you off here was his bet of 600, which looks a weak continuation bet with AK/AQ. However, this deep, flat calling is fine.

Barry

levAA · #7 09-25-2007, 10:15 AM

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squiggy this preflop

as played, nizzles

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as i'm not a native english speaker - could someone please explain "squiggy" and "nizzles" to me. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

thank you

jus_nutz · #8 09-25-2007, 10:42 AM

please reraise pf - i mak eit 1k. you are in position after the flop and can control the hand thereafter - if he bets strong after flop, i let it go with the intention that if utg checks flop and CO pushes his remeaining 600, I raise this all in and scare UTG out of the hand.

i think it was a mistake to flat call pf, even if the flop was perfect for you you were lost and this wouldnt happen if you reraised pf.

BarryLyndon · #9 09-25-2007, 11:06 AM

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squiggy this preflop

as played, nizzles

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as i'm not a native english speaker - could someone please explain "squiggy" and "nizzles" to me. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

thank you

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It means that a higher stakes player is visiting and having a little fun.

Also, "nizzles" means you played the hand correctly, obv.

"Squiggy," I haven't heard of, but based on stack sizes and position, it means raise.

Barry

Rocco · #10 09-25-2007, 11:16 AM

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Also, "nizzles" means you played the hand correctly, obv.

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Nah, "nizzles" means nuts. Or, maybe u knew this and just being ironic... I really can't tell... Anyway, we should just ignore nath until he's off whatever he's been on the last 12 hours or so. Guess he's just been smoking the nizzles [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]