Rivered 2 pair --raise or call?

[Proofrock]

$30r (6max) tournament. I was moved to the table a few orbits ago, so no meaningful reads.

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t100/t200
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: t16385
UTG+1: t15703
Hero: t12285
Button: t15065
SB: t10790
BB: t9450

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to t600</font>, 2 folds, BB calls t400 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t900)</font>.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t1300, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets t800</font>, BB calls t800 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t2100)</font>.

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (t2900, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (t2900, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets t1600</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero ...

[Coz]

I think I would raise this hand, you are probably ahead of villians range, he could have something like a smaller two pair, or a weaker ace or even something like 66-KK. If he re-raises you I would definetly fold but I think you are ahead here.

[tedtodd]

I'd hope BB would reraise you here with AQ. Sets are the biggest danger. It's just that a reraise becomes awkward. It would suck to reraise to 5k, and then have him shove for a few thousand more...

Also would he call you with anything that you beat?

[erc007]

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$30r (6max) tournament. I was moved to the table a few orbits ago, so no meaningful reads.

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t100/t200
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t16385
UTG+1: t15703
Hero: t12285
Button: t15065
SB: t10790
BB: t9450

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to t600</font>, 2 folds, BB calls t400 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t900)</font>.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t1300, 2 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets t800</font>, BB calls t800 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t2100)</font>.

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (t2900, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (t2900, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets t1600</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero ...

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I'm trying to figure out a range for this river block. He could easily have a hand like a med PP (66-99) here that he wants to showdown for relatively cheap. It could also be some weaker ace betting for value since you really haven't repped anything strong here. I don't think there are any hands in his blocking range that can call a raise here tho.

[donquay]

I'd probably call and end up kicking myself for missing some value...but I'd have a tough time putting him on a hand that we beat but he calls a raise on river.

I can't believe I'm writing this, and maybe I've spent too much time donking around on micros...but how about a minraise? I must play too many micros to think this right?

[erc007]

As an aside...there's a good column "The Inside Straight" in the Aug Cardplayer (J. Yang cover) written by B. Townsend about blocking bets. FWIW, i think that BB played this hand very well.

[SuperUberBob]

If you raised and villain shoves, you have to call because you're priced in. So by raising to 5,000, you're essentially risking losing almost all of your chips. So, there are two questions to ask yourself:

1. Does villain call with hands that I have beat?
2. Does villain raise all-in with hands that I have beat?

The answer to #1 is probably yes. The answer to #2? Not so much. This means you have to assess what hands villain would shove with over a river raise. If he shoves over the top with hands that you beat, then a river raise is fine. However, if he shoves with only hands that you have beat, then it might just be good to call.

[Proofrock]

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If you raised and villain shoves, you have to call because you're priced in. So by raising to 5,000, you're essentially risking losing almost all of your chips. So, there are two questions to ask yourself:

1. Does villain call with hands that I have beat?
2. Does villain raise all-in with hands that I have beat?

The answer to #1 is probably yes. The answer to #2? Not so much. This means you have to assess what hands villain would shove with over a river raise. If he shoves over the top with hands that you beat, then a river raise is fine. However, if he shoves with only hands that you have beat, then it might just be good to call.

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Close, but not quite. If he will call my raise often with weaker hands, and only raise with better hands a bet/fold can be alright on the river.

[Proofrock]

What do you think about a raise/fold on the river? If you like it, how much?

Pros: Get value from weaker aces and two-pair, and he's very unlikely to shove a hand I beat.

Con: Getting substantial pot odds to call if he shoves.

[monix]

With your stack size (M &gt; 40 before the hand) you have to just call. IMO, you cannot call a re-raise push.