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200nl TPTK vs UTG raise pf
new to table, 8th hand. UTG raises 4x.
Party Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter Hero (CO): $211.25 BTN: $187 SB: $537.65 BB: $303.53 UTG: $292.20 MP: $156.80 Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (CO) <font color="red">UTG raises to $8</font>, MP folds, Hero calls $8, 2 folds, BB calls $6 Flop: ($25) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players) BB checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $15</font>, Hero calls $15, BB calls $15 Turn: ($70) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players) BB checks, <font color="red">UTG bets $50</font>, Hero calls $50, BB folds River: ($170) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">UTG bets $219.20 and is All-In</font>, Hero has 134 left if we call the turn its to call a blank river here right? I dont like raising turn because that just turns our hand into a bluff doesnt it? reasons for folding: villians range prolly has me smoked, 3 barelled into 2 people reasons for calling under rep'd hand. villian could have alot of missed combo's bit over 2:1 to make the call. what do we do here? for those who ay fold, how do you play this pot beforehand so that we dont invest so much only to fold ~~ Edit is this hand any different? maybe this hand a greater case could be made for raising the turn? which line is best. only 12 hands into table, Party Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter Hero (BB): $248.35 UTG: $208.35 MP: $525.65 CO: $247.53 BTN: $513.45 SB: $165.20 Pre-Flop: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BB) 4 folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $7</font>, Hero calls $5 Flop: ($14) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">SB bets $11</font>, Hero calls $11 Turn: ($36) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">SB bets $30</font>, Hero calls $30 River: ($96) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">SB bets $117.20 and is All-In</font>, Hero ? |
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Re: 200nl TPTK vs UTG raise pf
As played i think i call the river shove, but not too happy about it.
I'd repop pre and see what happens tbh as you have position and can reassess as the hand plays out |
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Re: 200nl TPTK vs UTG raise pf
i will raise flop and turn.
as played, i am calling there. |
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Re: 200nl TPTK vs UTG raise pf
fold turn
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Re: 200nl TPTK vs UTG raise pf
in the first hand i think i'd fold the turn but it's a really close spot. though i think if you're gonna go with the hand you need to shove then and there b/c it looks like BB has a draw and you want to price him out. so def fold or shove but prolly fold
in hand two, i'd just raise/call the flop. lol blind battles |
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Re: 200nl TPTK vs UTG raise pf
i didnt see that he bet 15 at 25, most times id raise this flop, i thought he bet 85% of pot and i didnt want to get into a 3bet shove scenario with TPTK vs an UTG raising range of an unknown.
casper can you expand a bit? |
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Re: 200nl TPTK vs UTG raise pf
dump it on the turn in hand 1.
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Re: 200nl TPTK vs UTG raise pf
Villain's hand looks a lot like JJ+ in hand 1, fold turn and you're always smoked on the river.
Hand 2 you'd need a read that he isn't over-aggro to go broke here. Calling turn isn't as bad as hand 1, but I'd fold the river. Again, unless you have a read. I'm going to assume an unknown isn't ever pushing this river as a bluff with the bare A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] or something and he isn't value betting KJ or some [censored] unless he's nutso aggro. |
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Re: 200nl TPTK vs UTG raise pf
Hand 2 looks like a river fold unless you've got an aggro/bluffy read on the guy. On hand 1 I think we gotta raise that flop w/ TPTK on a wettish board. Also, repopping PF is always an option.
Forgot to mention - what about a flop raise on hand 2 to protect ourselves? I mean we're pretty strong if called and we can fold out draws as well. |
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Re: 200nl TPTK vs UTG raise pf
[ QUOTE ]
casper can you expand a bit? [/ QUOTE ]Sorry, I hate 1-liner posts and today I've been full of them. Well, UTG is betting the flop and turn into 2 other players which is very very strong. You pretty much only beat KQ and [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] draws...I would expect UTG to check those a lot on the turn, plus you still have BB to worry about behind you. He has JJ+/JQ almost always here imo. |
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