turn play on 4 card straight board with 2 pair

[erovner]

Villains:
UTG+2: 68.6 / 5.7 / 1.68 after 35
MP3: 17.8 / 6.7 / 1.00 after 45
CO: 17.1 / 9.3 / 2.78 after 322


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Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. MP3 posts a blind of $0.50.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 (poster) checks, CO calls, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero checks.

Flop: (8.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(8 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Button folds, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 caps</font>, CO calls, Hero folds, UTG+2 calls.

How is my turn play here? Should I have led the turn instead of checked? Once it was raised by CO, I cold called, since I still had a chance for the boat and a large pot. Once it came back around for another 2 bets plus the check-raise by UTG+2, I folded figuring myself way behind.

Should I have folded to the first 2 bet? Or, do I push my marginal hand even though I might be way behind? With 3 villains - especially my stats on CO, I thought the prospect of me winning was slim after it was capped.

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**grunch**

I might check the flop (very bad board) - thinking it will get check thru, or maybe MP3 or CO bets then I can C/R at that point

on the turn lead, then fold maybe ... no way I'm cold calling on this board

[erovner]

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I might check the flop (very bad board) - thinking it will get check thru,

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Why would you want to risk this getting checked through and giving everyone on a straight or flush draw a free card?

You're only behind to AA, KK, QQ, JJ, KQ, KJ, and AT here. Considering there was no preflop raise, I would be confident I have best hand here, although my hand is obviously very vulnerable. I don't want to give free cards to anyone.

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I'm hoping MP3/CO bets ... leading out will not protect your hand here.

CO: 17.1 / 9.3 / 2.78 ... will likely bet

and these holding are weak

[Nick C]

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MP3: 17.8 / 6.7 / 1.00 after 45
CO: 17.1 / 9.3 / 2.78 after 322

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Man, really? Is this what 0.5/1 full is like these days?

All right, now I'll look at the hand.

Edit: Er, never mind, I just noticed that it was also eight to the flop.

[Nick C]

The turn check is good.

Fold when it's two back to you.

Edit: To explain, any T had an OESD on the flop, as if that's even necessary at this table. (I realize some of the players in question are better than that, but still. I didn't check on who was who after I saw the turn action, because this is too obvious.)

You've got 4 outs and nowhere near the odds to call two cold, not even closing the action.

[Nick C]

By the way, once it's two more back to you on the turn, it's getting kind of close.

I like a call of the turn cap much better than I like the original cold-call.

I don't hate the fold or anything, though.

[Xhad]

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You've got 4 outs and nowhere near the odds to call two cold, not even closing the action.

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You don't even have that many if someone has a passively played AJ, etc.

[SL__72]

Bet the flop, fold the first time its two back to you but after you called once you probably could have called the cap. You have odds to draw to your ~4 outs at that point.

[Didelo]

I find this kind of hand really difficult. I often get this wrong. I think the two lines you can go for are bet/fold or check/fold. I don't think the check/call/fold line really makes sense.

In an ideal world, you would have liked a check-raise on the flop but I think you did the right thing in betting it. No one had shown any strength and for this to be checked through would have been a disaster.

I think the opening the turn gives you a chance to fold if it's raised (or as it would be here, 3-bet) on its way back round to you. I think the line you took is indecisive.

But I often get into trouble on the turn so don't listen to me.