Calling pot bet with NFD + pair?

[roggles]

CAPPED GAME

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Full Tilt Poker
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1 Capped game
5 players
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Pre-flop: (5 players) roggles is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $3.5</font>, CO folds, Button calls, SB folds, roggles calls.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($11, 3 players)
roggles checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $11</font>, Button folds, roggles calls.

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($33, 2 players)
roggles checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $25.5</font>, roggles calls.

[Hattifnatt]

just c/r or b3b the ai on the flop but this is ok as well. c/f turn is out of the question when you pick up the club draw as well.

[wazz]

It's awful. You're a superpassive nit. C/r flop, lead flop, lead turn, w/e, you're not always up against top set ffs. There exists this concept within poker of fold equity whereby you sometimes bet without the best hand or the nuts even.

[roggles]

I am not superpassive. I just don't know hand values that well. I thought I most likely was up against a high pair and didn't know how good my hand is against that

[Ranma4703]

If he has a high pair, lets see the odds:
Best case for him, he has AAxx, and is blocking your club redraw:
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=3838729
pokenum -o ah 4h 5c 7c - ad ac 3d 9d -- 5h jh 2c
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing 2c Jh 5h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
7c 5c Ah 4h 506 61.71 309 37.68 5 0.61 0.620
Ac Ad 9d 3d 309 37.68 506 61.71 5 0.61 0.380

Turn:
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=3838730
pokenum -o ah 4h 5c 7c - ad ac 3d 9d -- 5h jh 2c 9c
Omaha Hi: 40 enumerated boards containing 9c 2c Jh 5h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
7c 5c Ah 4h 22 55.00 18 45.00 0 0.00 0.550
Ac Ad 9d 3d 18 45.00 22 55.00 0 0.00 0.450

So you are ahead in both cases if he has a good overpair with one of your draws. If he has a set:
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=3838732
pokenum -o ah 4h 5c 7c - jd jc 3d 9d -- 5h jh 2c 9c
Omaha Hi: 40 enumerated boards containing 9c 2c Jh 5h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
7c 5c Ah 4h 16 40.00 24 60.00 0 0.00 0.400
Jc Jd 9d 3d 24 60.00 16 40.00 0 0.00 0.600

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=3838733
pokenum -o ah 4h 5c 7c - jd jc 3d 9d -- 5h jh 2c
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing 2c Jh 5h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
7c 5c Ah 4h 314 38.29 506 61.71 0 0.00 0.383
Jc Jd 9d 3d 506 61.71 314 38.29 0 0.00 0.617

If he has some kind of retarded 2 pair with something like JT45
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=3838734
pokenum -o ah 4h 5c 7c - jd tc 4d 5d -- 5h jh 2c
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing 2c Jh 5h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
7c 5c Ah 4h 468 57.07 344 41.95 8 0.98 0.576
Tc Jd 5d 4d 344 41.95 468 57.07 8 0.98 0.424
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=3838735
pokenum -o ah 4h 5c 7c - jd tc 4d 5d -- 5h jh 2c 9c
Omaha Hi: 40 enumerated boards containing 9c 2c Jh 5h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
7c 5c Ah 4h 20 50.00 20 50.00 0 0.00 0.500
Tc Jd 5d 4d 20 50.00 20 50.00 0 0.00 0.500

I've never seen the odds be exactly the same when they didn't have the same hand; anyway, unless he has a set you are good, if he has an overpair you are ahead, if he has 2 pair you are slightly behind on the flop, but even on the turn. If he won't fold any of those hands, then c/c is fine I think, but since he'll probably fold some of them you should c/r ai on the flop.

[HeyBigMan]

I prefer a raise on the flop but a call is not a horrible play either. Def lead out or c/r all in on the turn and then hit the river of course.

[GaZaZaZa]

i think all has already been said, but especially in a cap game where the most u can lose is 30BB, there is no way that you dont check raise shove that flop, you are never below 40%, which means u have odds for anything, and who knows may even ge him to fold his two pair, which adds massive value to that play.!!!

[OrrLives]

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i think all has already been said, but especially in a cap game where the most u can lose is 30BB, there is no way that you dont check raise shove that flop, you are never below 40%, which means u have odds for anything, and who knows may even ge him to fold his two pair, which adds massive value to that play.!!!

[/ QUOTE ]

Even it isn't capped (say 100BB stacks), he should be check raising pot on the flop. The cap makes it mandatory.