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Old 06-06-2006, 03:04 AM
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Default nut draw on flop ..... and a gutter!!!!!!!!!

i dont care about shorty obviously so villain will be utg+1 guy and he is 30/1.6/2.17 but only over 60 hands. lots of n00bs on FT lately. i like it but i feel like i might lose value from other hands. comments?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $11.15
UTG+1: $31.30
MP1: $21.30
Hero: $25.10
MP3: $39.20
CO: $21.40
Button: $23.85
SB: $2.75
BB: $11.75

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $1.25</font>, 3 folds, SB calls, BB folds, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($4, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">SB is all-in $1.5</font>, <font color="#cc0000">UTG+1 raises to $3</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises all-in $23.85</font>.
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Old 06-06-2006, 03:25 AM
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Default Re: nut draw on flop ..... and a gutter!!!!!!!!!

We could call here, seeing as a raise really [censored] us if the turn bricks. I mean I don't really like raising to 12 here, having him call and then we push turn. Since we are not folding I see nothing wrong with calling here. Imo your line will definitely lose value, plus you can't win this pot outright because of SB. Tricky hand, I can't imagine I'm right here...
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Old 06-06-2006, 03:31 AM
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Default Re: nut draw on flop ..... and a gutter!!!!!!!!!

If you call the flop you obviously can't push the turn if it bricks. I have no problem just pushing here as your equity is huge against his range. Pushing with the draw is also good for metagame reasons, although at these stakes who knows if they're paying enough attention for it to matter.
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Old 06-06-2006, 04:33 AM
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Default Re: nut draw on flop ..... and a gutter!!!!!!!!!

Well with 12 outs to the nuts (call it 11 as he might have a full house draw), you're getting great odds if you're called.

What hand is villain folding here that he'd call for half your stack? I agree with bent that it's push or call.

I don't like the call so much because you'll probably only get action when you miss the turn.
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Old 06-06-2006, 06:57 AM
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Default Re: nut draw on flop ..... and a gutter!!!!!!!!!

Calling is out of the question. Even if we're beat by short stack, it's very cheap. Nice push, this is a very strong draw.
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Old 06-06-2006, 09:12 AM
ValarMorghulis ValarMorghulis is offline
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Default Re: nut draw on flop ..... and a gutter!!!!!!!!!

You're raising 23 to win 1.5. I call. If SB wasn't in the hand then I like the raise.
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Old 06-06-2006, 09:17 AM
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Default Re: nut draw on flop ..... and a gutter!!!!!!!!!

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You're raising 23 to win 1.5. I call. If SB wasn't in the hand then I like the raise.

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Well, I lack any respect on short stacks. My guess is that we're ahead of him most of the time.
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Old 06-06-2006, 09:19 AM
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Default Re: nut draw on flop ..... and a gutter!!!!!!!!!

push it all day. You have a huge hand. I'd say that either an A or K is good too, but probably not both
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Old 06-06-2006, 09:37 AM
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Default Re: nut draw on flop ..... and a gutter!!!!!!!!!

Push looks fine. If hero makes a real raise, his stack is pretty much committed to calling a turn push on any non-pairing turn card.
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Old 06-06-2006, 10:07 AM
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Default Re: nut draw on flop ..... and a gutter!!!!!!!!!

OOP I push here...as you have position I call here, mainly because I think you will get the free card a large % of the time on the turn
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