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Old 09-27-2007, 05:35 PM
GrandMelon GrandMelon is offline
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Default 2/4 JJ

Button is 32/11, UTG is 13/6 and is very weak tight/passive. Ive been fairly active running like 17/14 for the day.

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $2/$4 Blinds - 8 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (SB): $632.60
BB: $68.00
UTG: $955.30
UTG+1: $765.85
MP1: $196.30
MP2: $489.50
CO: $179.45
BTN: $750.95

Preflop: Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (8 Players)
UTG calls $4.00, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls $4.00, 2 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $20.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $64.00</font>, BB folds, UTG calls $60.00, MP1 folds, BTN calls $44.00

Flop: ($200) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($200) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $96.00</font>, UTG calls $96.00, BTN folds

River: ($392) hero c/fs unless he hits a J
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Old 09-27-2007, 06:13 PM
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That's not my plan on the river.

I would bet probably 1/4 pot or so on a river "blank".

I think if an Ace falls or K, this could be an interesting river decision.
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Old 09-27-2007, 06:59 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 JJ

Not a fan of flop. I would just bet $116 or so and go from there. I'd almost never c/f a river blank as played.
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Old 09-27-2007, 07:03 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 JJ

assuming river was a blank you don't think a blocking bet of 120ish will get you to showdown? it seems like villain has to have more than AK here but, and I don't play this high so I could be dead wrong, a lot of players will call down with a mpp on a full house board like this, especially a weak/tight player.
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Old 09-27-2007, 07:59 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 JJ

So you're thinking utg has QQ? I've got to think that he'd raise KK or AA on the turn, so I can't find a fold on the river unless an A or K falls. If he's passive enough to just call the turn with QQ, he's probably not raising a showdown-type bet on the river, as someone mentioned. Imo you should bet more on the turn because there's 16 AKs and 24 77-TTs, and I think you might have priced in the AKs. I'm also assuming you thought you were ahead of Button's range on the turn.
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Old 09-27-2007, 10:06 PM
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Yeah, Zeebo theorem. Nobody ever folds a full house. You know your opponents better than we do but I have a hard time finding a fold on the river without a read.
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Old 09-27-2007, 10:22 PM
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Default Re: 2/4 JJ

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That's not my plan on the river.

I would bet probably 1/4 pot or so on a river "blank".

I think if an Ace falls or K, this could be an interesting river decision.

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for some reason i like this line.... because if he checks behind u miss value, and if he bets bigger its really gonna hurt either way and be a gross decision...
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Old 09-27-2007, 10:22 PM
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Note UTG made a cold call of two raises! If he is tight/passive, he would not have made that call with nothing less than KK/QQ or AK. Even he pushed it with AK, he'd probably not call a blank on river. Given he's passive, I think c/f is best option.
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Old 09-27-2007, 10:25 PM
mattaasen mattaasen is offline
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Not a fan of flop. I would just bet $116 or so and go from there. I'd almost never c/f a river blank as played.

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i like this sort of if u know what your gonna do. Im assuming fold to a raise....but what if u get flat called?
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Old 09-27-2007, 10:32 PM
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Note UTG made a cold call of two raises! If he is tight/passive, he would not have made that call with nothing less than KK/QQ or AK. Even he pushed it with AK, he'd probably not call a blank on river. Given he's passive, I think c/f is best option.

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He could and probably does have any pp.
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