NL400 - The new DONKEY quiz!

[Paul Thomson]

Villain in this hand is 21/17/4.7. He's been 3-betting my late position raises alot from the blinds and when in position. He's also been AGRO post flop, but I haven't seen him make any mistakes (possibly cause I've had to fold alot). And please don't say change seats cause I've got a donk on my left that I love.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($946.10)
BB ($412.80)
UTG ($327.20)
MP ($460)
Button ($417.60)

Preflop: Hero is SB with X X. Hero posts a blind of $2.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $16</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $64</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $50.

Flop: ($136) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $88</font>, Button calls $417.60 (All-In), Hero ?

Please explain why you chose what you chose!

[jk3a]

KQ &amp; 88 - I fold both if this is the first time I've seen this villain make this move even with history.

btw, if you did call with 88, dan will forever consider himself a genius [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[Paul Thomson]

bump for the donkeys!

[SilentNoise]

i think second one is a fold. first one is tough, i think he could be doing this with Ax spades or a medium pp enough thinking that you are just cbetting on a dry flop.

[Dan Bitel]

since EVERY1 has said to fold 88, but a lot of calls with KQ, what range are you putting him on?

[FishSticks]

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since EVERY1 has said to fold 88, but a lot of calls with KQ, what range are you putting him on?

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99-QQ, KJ- obv [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[Jamougha]

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since EVERY1 has said to fold 88, but a lot of calls with KQ, what range are you putting him on?

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[aislephive]

Easy call with KQ, easy fold with 88.

[FishSticks]

OP - He's been 3betting you quite a bit from the blinds, but have you been 3betting him frequently from the blinds as well, or not so much?

Are these both hands both standard 3bets preflop for you from the blinds against a 21/17?

Anyways Dan makes a good point about the relative difference in the two hands. The villain sounds like a good player, so villain would know a raise here with QQ for example folds out everything he beats. Looks to me more like a flush draw, AK+, or total air (probably in that order).

I'd probably fold both hands tbh without some more postflop specifics. I also might check flop with KQ here.

[Jamougha]

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I also might check flop with KQ here.

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bet/call is so much better with the dynamics described