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Old 08-07-2007, 03:49 PM
EricDrawback EricDrawback is offline
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Default Bottom set on brutal board

I know 1/2NL should be in SSNL, but my usual game is 500NL, and considering how deep we were playing (400+BB), I figured MSNL was appropriate.

This is a live 1/2NL game, playing very deep, 9 handed. Villian A has ~600, Villian B has ~450, I cover.

Reads: Villian A is standard TAG from what I've observed, occasionally calls down light on later streets. Villian B is a huge LAG, I have seen him make some very thoughtful plays..but that is overshadowed by how he is spewing chips all over the table.

Preflop: 3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, Hero raises to 15 (standard in this game, where most hands were straddled, but not this one), Villian A raises to 35 from MP, folds around to Villian B in BB, who calls, hero calls.

flop(pot=106): Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Hero checks, Villian A bets 80, Villian B calls, Hero raises to 200, Villian A calls, Villian B calls.

turn(pot=706): Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Hero ??

Advice on all streets appreciated, turn + river action to come after a couple responses.
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Old 08-07-2007, 03:51 PM
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Default Re: Bottom set on brutal board

how is this a brutal boarD? i expected 78910 mono or something
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Old 08-07-2007, 03:53 PM
EricDrawback EricDrawback is offline
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Default Re: Bottom set on brutal board

Villian B can be on any sort of combo draw here, and I'm reading Villian A as having a big pocket pair after the flop call...I just can't decide at this point if he hit his set or not on that flop...AQ is a possibility as well.
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Old 08-07-2007, 04:09 PM
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Default Re: Bottom set on brutal board

ummm....combo draw is drawing dead to your boat???? And it sounds like ur hoping he doesnt have AQ??? Only real hand to fear here is like QQ or 1010.....i get it in as quick as possible......
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Old 08-07-2007, 04:10 PM
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Default Re: Bottom set on brutal board

WTF SHOVE!!!! How is this a brutal board? YOU HAVE A FULL HOUSE!
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Old 08-07-2007, 04:11 PM
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Default Re: Bottom set on brutal board

So the effective stacks left are $365 ($600-200-35) at this point? I would push here all day and probably get called by JKh from the lag and the TAG probably folds his AA, KK, or calls with his AQs. If either has TT or QQ (or QTs ugh) I would get a beer and complain to my friends about the cooler I just got. I would think with the effective stacks when you reraise on the flop with that draw heavy board that they would get it all in on the flop if they had TT or QQ though, especially 3 way.

The only way I could get away from it is if I decide to check the turn and TAG has AA/KK and checks and LAG takes free card too and then a T or Q comes on river.

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Old 08-07-2007, 04:15 PM
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Default Re: Bottom set on brutal board

wow you probably lost that one if you think it was worth posting it. I think its very standard. I love that board to flop bottom set.
I shove here everytime.
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Old 08-07-2007, 04:44 PM
EricDrawback EricDrawback is offline
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Default Re: Bottom set on brutal board

Well, I ended up shoving the turn and getting called by AQ by Villian B. Villian A claimed to have laid down KK.

I still feel like I butchered this hand though, by not getting more money in by leading out on the flop and 3-betting the eventual raise.
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Old 08-07-2007, 06:02 PM
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Default Re: Bottom set on brutal board

even playing live retards it's hard to stack both AQ and KK this deep.
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Old 08-07-2007, 06:12 PM
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Default Re: Bottom set on brutal board

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even playing live retards it's hard to stack both AQ and KK this deep.

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On the turn? I imagine stacking AQ wouldn't be hard 1000bbs deep live.
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