NL 100, KK faces lots of action on not so nice flop

[Frawa]

SB: 16.4/10/11/wts 23 over 286 hands
BB: 57/0/1/wts 45 over 110 hands ( lol @ pfr - prolly a DB error)

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $100.05
BB: $117.93
Hero (UTG): $236.41
MP: $242.37
CO: $99.50
BTN: $113.86

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $4.00</font>, 3 folds, SB calls $3.50, BB calls $3.00

Flop: ($12) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $8.00</font>, BB calls $8.00, <font color="red">Hero raises to $33.00</font>, <font color="red">SB raises all-in to $96.05</font>, BB calls $88.05, <font color="red">Hero raises all-in to $232.41</font>, BB calls all-in for $17.88
Uncalled bet of $118.48 returned to Hero

Turn: ($335.91) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 Players - 3 All-In)

River: ($335.91) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players - 3 All-In)

Pot Size: $335.91 ($3 Rake)


how bad is it to call the shove ?
i guess in the very very best case im even money against a big draw and a OP &lt; KK

but how likeley is this?

the RR on the flop is standard i guess , nobrainer fold to shove + call of shove?

[thac]

BB calls SB's lead and then overcalls his shove.. I think you can fold to the 3-bet as the only hand you're really ahead of is 7xdd which is rare. I'm guessing he has 78 or 66.. maybe a lower set, but not a hand you beat a lot.

[Frawa]

edited reads , seems BB was a huge donkey
had to recheck my DB

[thac]

I still don't think you're ahead often enough when SB shoves AND BB calls.

[pineapple888]

The fold the second time is very easy.

The more interesting question is whether it's a raise in the first place on the flop, after SB comes out firing into two people (indicating a strong made hand that doesn't want to give a card on a tasty board) and BB calls. I don't much like my hand at this point, and lean towards just calling and playing for a cheap showdown if possible.

[Frawa]

you are right i guess

just wanted to make clear that the original post wasnt correct regarding the reads

even if its very irrelevant to the descission

[Frawa]

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The fold the second time is very easy.

The more interesting question is whether it's a raise in the first place on the flop, after SB comes out firing into two people (indicating a strong made hand that doesn't want to give a card on a tasty board) and BB calls. I don't much like my hand at this point, and lean towards just calling and playing for a cheap showdown if possible.

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i really cant see how to reach a cheap SD here , on the turn the pot will be 30ish with 3 ppl in the hand

lets say i call the flop and the turn blanks out , easy fold against a PSB?


so id lean more towards b/f on flop - somebody likes this line too?

[pineapple888]

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The fold the second time is very easy.

The more interesting question is whether it's a raise in the first place on the flop, after SB comes out firing into two people (indicating a strong made hand that doesn't want to give a card on a tasty board) and BB calls. I don't much like my hand at this point, and lean towards just calling and playing for a cheap showdown if possible.

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i really cant see how to reach a cheap SD here , on the turn the pot will be 30ish with 3 ppl in the hand

lets say i call the flop and the turn blanks out , easy fold against a PSB?


so id lean more towards b/f on flop - somebody likes this line too?

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One way to get a cheap showdown: a diamond falls and everybody gets scared. There are other ways also.

Yes you are folding to a PSB on the turn.

Yes raise/fold is reasonable on the flop. I'm just saying it's not automatic.

[Frawa]

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One way to get a cheap showdown: a diamond falls and everybody gets scared. There are other ways also.

Yes you are folding to a PSB on the turn.

Yes raise/fold is reasonable on the flop. I'm just saying it's not automatic.

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your right - prolly a diamond would slow down action

but i might be good as well on the flop , from their point of view i can hold pretty much anything on the flop since they only called PF
so i guess protecting my hand cant be a bad play - correct?

so RR flop 30-40ish and fold to shove?

[mason55]

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so RR flop 30-40ish and fold to shove?

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might as well light $30 on fire because you're getting shoved on 99% of the time after this action.