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Old 08-15-2007, 06:59 PM
murmeltier21 murmeltier21 is offline
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Hello!
Villain is 20/15/3 and i have not seen him do anything special over the 120 hands i have on him. so no specific reads or notes other than pt.
I guess this is a situation where losers call and winners fold or raise?! So what should be the default against a reasonable villain?
Btw.: Cbet could be a touch bigger... but we're not discussing that now

Party Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $15.77
BB: $57.60
Hero (UTG): $49.75
MP: $57.35
CO: $47.31
BTN: $54.52

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $2.00</font>, MP folds, CO calls $2.00, 3 folds

Flop: ($4.75) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $3.00</font>, <font color="red">CO raises to $6.00</font>, Hero? (hates this spot) [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 08-15-2007, 07:05 PM
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Default Re: Nl50- QQ

Seems like CO is raising your c-bet to see if you're holding AK or another non-pp. I'd call and then bet a blank turn. If villain had you beat pf, he would have rr with KK or AA, so either he's (semi)bluffing or he's got a set. You'll find out more on the turn.
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Old 08-15-2007, 07:14 PM
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Hero raises pot
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Old 08-15-2007, 07:16 PM
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Default Re: Nl50- QQ

I love just shoving this flop - looks so much like a draw to villain that I think you get looked up with pretty weak overpairs a high percentage of the time.
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Old 08-15-2007, 07:18 PM
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Hero raises pot

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that's what i was thinking, too. i can't call since theres like 30 cards in the deck that suck monkeyballs...
so my default should be just going to war with my overpair?!
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Old 08-15-2007, 07:20 PM
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Default Re: Nl50- QQ

Call reevaluate turn. Nearly every draw on this board has a [censored] of equity on this board(pair + oesd, pair + fd, oesd + fd) and raises makes you committed as most likely a huge dog.
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Old 08-15-2007, 07:25 PM
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you definately need to raise here. i dont see any card (other than a non-heart Q) that could be good. A raise could:

1. chase away draws, or draws shoving.

2. committ yourself to the pot. giving you an easier decision on the turn or river.

or you could just fold, lose 5 dollars and save yourself by getting stacked.

I would much rather raise instead of folding here. a set would NOT min raise with such a draw heavy flop.

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Old 08-15-2007, 07:27 PM
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a set would NOT min raise with such a draw heavy flop.



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The way this hand was played pf, do you think villain is worried about hero having a drawing hand? Just curious.
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Old 08-15-2007, 07:51 PM
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a minraise could be a set, smaller overpair, draw (there are quite a few possible on this board) TPTK, TPNK and stuff.

here's how it went: i 3bet to 20bucks, he pushed, i puked and called. he showed me J7 of spades. i won and added him to my buddy list =)
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Old 08-15-2007, 08:44 PM
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a minraise could be a set, smaller overpair, draw (there are quite a few possible on this board) TPTK, TPNK and stuff.

here's how it went: i 3bet to 20bucks, he pushed, i puked and called. he showed me J7 of spades. i won and added him to my buddy list =)

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I think this is a general indication of how much players at this level over-value top pair
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