Makonnen's Muck Ups #8 (9?) Low Limit O8

[Makonnen]

This one is more about how to think through a hand ... do I just let it go on the flop b/c of the paired board? Once he raises on the flop, my confidence in my hand is pretty low. Then, on the river, I'm getting squeezed, but I have the nut straight on a non-flush board. I thought UTG was on a busted diamond draw for high.

I'm afraid of the full house, but I have no idea how to figure out if I'm against two people with low wheels (in which case, I'm splitting their money), or a wheel and a boat (in which case, they're splitting mine).

In hindsight, the final call was pretty dumb--I remember a bit of sage advice here about, in general, not calling 2 bets cold without a monster.

Party Poker | Limit Omaha Ring game |Limit: $0.50/$1
7 players | Converter

Pre-flop: (7 players) Makonnen is BB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls, 2 folds, CO calls, 2 folds, 2 folds, Makonnen checks.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3.5SB, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Makonnen bets</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises</font>, Makonnen calls, UTG calls.

Turn: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4.75BB, 3 players)
Makonnen checks, UTG checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets</font>, Makonnen calls, UTG calls.

River: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (7.75BB, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Makonnen bets</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#cc0000">CO raises</font>, Makonnen calls, <font color="#cc0000">UTG 3-bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">CO caps</font>, Makonnen calls, UTG calls.

Results:
Final pot: 19.75BB
<font color="#ffffff">CO shows 2c 6c 5h 3c </font>
<font color="#ffffff">Makonnen shows 4s 7d 8h Td </font>
<font color="#ffffff">UTG shows Ah Jd Ac 4c </font>

-Makonnen

[ZenMusician]

Check-Fold flop 100% of time.
The other streets only snowball this error.

-ZEN

[easternbloc]

in low-limit o8, I want to either flop the nuts or have a draw to the nuts, and with this board you have neither. on the flop you can only scoop the pot if:

a) you make your straight or flush
b) your made hand is good
c) no one has the same high hand as you
d) no one make a better low than yours would be (and your low is pretty bad)

it doesn't really matter what you're up against, you can pick a better spot than that hand on that flop. only the 9 can come which would give you a high hand that wouldn't chop the pot.

[Dire]

Straight draws are often very weak in LO8. It's one of the most common ways to get quartered with a high, they suck if there's any flush draw ( which there usually will be ), if the board pairs up there's a good chance you're drawing dead and if you don't have the nut low for support then you're probably only drawing to half the pot anyways.

[wiseheart]

[ QUOTE ]
Check-Fold flop 100% of time.
The other streets only snowball this error.

-ZEN

[/ QUOTE ]

[Eulysses]

very easy fold on the flop

[FC2000]

No low draw on low draw flop = fold

[Makonnen]

[ QUOTE ]
No low draw on low draw flop = fold

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After hand selection, this is, I think, one of the most important "rules" to incorporate when learning O8. Clearly, still learning it ...

-Makonnen

[Bulbarainey]

fold... i think when you were playing it you were thinking like it was hold em. you gotta remember, that 35% chance to hit the straight is already worth only half because u got a no good low draw, and since so many cards are dealt in omaha, the straight itself is most likely no good on a paired board. remember to cut a lot of your odds in half from hold em or more.