Frequency of stack-offs with overpairs

[minwoo]

Overpairs (esp. AA/KK) while definitely the most profitable hands can also be the most frustrating to play POSTFLOP. They are hands that almost always look like a favorite postflop and alot of times, to get max value from these overpairs, you have to bet, bet, bet. But they're also hands that you'll pay off sets, two pairs, etc with. To minimize your losses when you're outflopped, we use pot control. I'm curious as to where good, winning players strike the balance between getting max value vs. minimizing losses. Obviously against opponents, you have a good read on, you can fold overpairs when you get check-raised on turn and such and on the other side, you can also get all the money in knowing full well that you're playing against a donk. But alot of good player play 4-10 tables at a time, and it's not always possible to have the necessary reads. So against unknowns, what is the standard play (and most profitable) when playing these overpairs.?

- Always fold when check-raised on the turn?
- Always fold river when check-raised on the flop and they bet turn and river?
- Go into auto check-call mode after being called on flop?
- Always stack off w/ them?
- etc...

How often should we be stacking off w/ these overpairs versus folding them to suspicous action. Lets assume that the preflop action excludes any 3-betting, as 3-betting significantly reduces the opponent's range while making the pot bigger, thus stacking off w/ overpairs in a re-raised pot is more likely fine than not. In other words, we are talking about pots where you are the raiser w/ the overpair and there is one or multiple calls from limpers, blinds, etc.

[Dan BRIGHT]

- Always fold when check-raised on the turn? <font color="red">yes </font>
- Always fold river when check-raised on the flop and they bet turn and river? <font color="red">yes </font>
- Go into auto check-call mode after being called on flop? <font color="red">yes </font>
- Always stack off w/ them? <font color="blue"> no </font>

[punter11235]

You should go into auto check-call mode when you see first signs of teh resistance because overpairs become basically bluffcatchers then.
Also if if you called twice its usually good idea to fold to final river bet.
From what Ive seen most good players are very careful with overpairs and very rarely (if ever !) stack off with them.
This is especially true in 3bet pots where your opponents will be extra careful as they expect you to have dreaded overpair and will not stackoff without 2pair+.

[jfish]

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You should go into auto check-call mode when you see first signs of teh resistance because overpairs become basically bluffcatchers then.
Also if if you called twice its usually good idea to fold to final river bet.
From what Ive seen most good players are very careful with overpairs and very rarely (if ever !) stack off with them.
This is especially true in 3bet pots where your opponents will be extra careful as they expect you to have dreaded overpair and will not stackoff without 2pair+.

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QFT.

[minwoo]

The responses so far have been helpful to me. I didn't realize that overpairs so significantly lose their value if resistance is shown. After all, they are the most profitable hands in NLHE so naturally I thought that for the most part, overpairs should be taken to showdown. I don't go apesh*t w/ overpairs by any means but I am finding that those check-raises for the most part, mean I am beat.

Btw, what is QFT?

Would love to see some more responses regarding standard play w/ overpairs.

[Big_Jim]

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Always ... Always ... Always ...

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no

[minwoo]

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Always ... Always ... Always ...

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You're right. There's no ALWAYS in poker. But I would think that multitabling regulars do have somewhat of a standard line to play these overpairs against an UNKNOWN. Dan Bright's post has been pretty helpful in this regard. Factor in reads and of course playing these overpairs would be situation dependent.

[Big_Jim]

It depends on SO MANY things that you have to consider to make the decision to stack off that you don't mention here:

Positions
Stack sizes
The actual board, and the texture of it
Number of players in the pot.
The actual action.
Your actual pair, and the outs that it blocks or may have

All this before we even consider reads

Your questions are so broad as to be impossible to answer in any useful way.

[Big_Jim]

oh, and btw....

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The responses so far have been helpful to me.

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[minwoo]

For Jim,

Positions: EP
Stack sizes: 120 bbs
The actual board, and the texture of it: Dry, only a set or two pair beats you. More specifically, Flop: Kc 3h 2d, Turn brings a 9s
Number of players in the pot: Lets just say 2, including yourself
The actual action:Raise EP, 1 caller on button. You bet flop, opp. calls. You bet turn, opp raises pot...fold here or check-fold river, or check-call river
Your actual pair AA