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Old 08-16-2007, 08:17 PM
gh171104 gh171104 is offline
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Default 25NL - AA first hand i\'m dealt

just sat down at the table...


Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 9 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $14.50
Hero (BB): $25.00
UTG: $24.50
UTG+1: $25.00
MP1: $11.20
MP2: $70.55
MP3: $25.00
CO: $24.65
BTN: $37.80

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (9 Players)
3 folds, MP2 calls $0.25, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.25, SB calls $0.15, <font color="red">Hero raises to $1.50</font>, MP2 calls $1.25, BTN calls $1.25, SB folds

Flop: ($4.75) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $3.00</font>, MP2 folds, BTN calls $3.00

Turn: ($10.75) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero?
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Old 08-16-2007, 08:23 PM
jessyj07 jessyj07 is offline
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Default Re: 25NL - AA first hand i\'m dealt

Bet $7.5 and call a push. I can see an argument for checking though but it's to c/r all in not to c/c. I would rarely check without the Ac though.
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Old 08-16-2007, 08:25 PM
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Default Re: 25NL - AA first hand i\'m dealt

didn't notice we had the Ac. What they said
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Old 08-16-2007, 08:27 PM
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Default Re: 25NL - AA first hand i\'m dealt

I would fire again for about $7-8 and see what he does. You can hope that he actually has QQ. If he does have the flush, you have outs to the nut flush and outs to a boat.
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Old 08-16-2007, 08:28 PM
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Default Re: 25NL - AA first hand i\'m dealt

really? so you are going to c/f the river if you dont improve?
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Old 08-16-2007, 08:29 PM
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Default Re: 25NL - AA first hand i\'m dealt

lolol

you have the 2ndnut-nonflush, nutflush draw and you are confused?

you don't get in better spots than this very often
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Old 08-16-2007, 08:29 PM
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Default Re: 25NL - AA first hand i\'m dealt

bet $8ish, call a shove. If called, shove almost all rivers.
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Old 08-16-2007, 08:34 PM
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Default Re: 25NL - AA first hand i\'m dealt

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bet $8ish, call a shove. If called, shove almost all rivers.

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I can't think of a river I wouldn't shove
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Old 08-16-2007, 08:39 PM
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Default Re: 25NL - AA first hand i\'m dealt

ok, I thought this was pretty standard on my part and I pretty much have to go broke here, just making sure...


Turn: ($10.75) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $6.00</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises to $16.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises all-in to $20.50</font>, BTN calls $4.50

River: ($51.75) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 1 All-In)

Pot Size: $51.75 ($51.75 Rake)

BTN had T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (a flush, Queen high) and LOST (-$25.00)
Hero had A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (three of a kind, Aces) and LOST (-$25.00)


what do u guys think of my bet sizes? it seems like most you are saying to bet 7-8 on the turn... is 6 too little and why?
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Old 08-16-2007, 10:38 PM
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Default Re: 25NL - AA first hand i\'m dealt

Should've grunched this, but too late, i read the results. So i might me a little influenced by them, but anyway:

Should we really bet out on this turn? What better hands fold, what worse hands call? If he has the flush, he is not going to fold. If he has a smaller set or two pair, he might fold to our "obvious" flush.

If villain has a flush, we have 17 outs (7 clubs, 1 Ace, 3 Queens, 3 Deuces, 3 Fours). That's still less than 50% equity. In fact, pokerstove says against his actual holding we have 38%, and if we go all-in we'll put around $20 more into a pot that will end up at around $50, about 40% of the final pot size. So if we fold out all non-flushes on this turn, the all-in is slightly -EV.

If we find a way to get value from non-flushes, like smaller sets, two pairs, or even K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], that changes drastically. Let's put his range at all club connectors, club one-gappers, Queens and Deuces:

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Board: As Qc 2c 4c
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 57.057% 57.06% 00.00% 477 0.00 { AcAh }
Hand 1: 42.943% 42.94% 00.00% 359 0.00 { QQ, 22, KcJc, JcTc, Jc9c, Tc9c, Tc8c, 9c8c, 9c7c, 8c7c, 8c6c, 7c6c, 7c5c, 6c5c, 5c3c }


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To me, this looks more like a CRAI.
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