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Old 02-09-2007, 11:42 AM
Tcchap Tcchap is offline
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Default For all you kids out there - the dangers of slowplaying top set

Here is a hand that I played so badly it wasn't even funny. This is what happens when you get tired of betting your set and opponent folding on stars $10 nl tables. A great instructional example of someone (myself) using a slowplay in a poor situation. Even though all the villian has on the flop is a gutshot, Good argument against slowplaying here.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

UTG ($12.35)
Hero ($13.75)
Button ($14.10)
SB ($9.50)
BB ($9.15)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.10, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $0.4</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG calls $0.30.

Flop: ($0.95) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($0.95) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $0.3</font>, Hero calls $0.30.

River: ($1.55) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $1.5</font>, Hero calls $1.50.

Final Pot: $4.55

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
UTG has Th Kh (flush, ace high).
Hero has As Ad (three of a kind, aces).
Outcome: UTG wins $4.55. </font>
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Old 02-09-2007, 12:01 PM
JadeRedstone JadeRedstone is offline
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Default Re: For all you kids out there - the dangers of slowplaying top set

really no point.
You raised PF and then check behind on the flop. You have to c-bet. If you want to be tricky you can c-bet really small. Then he might come over the top or something.
If he has nothing, you get nothing, its as simple as that. And since all you have is one pair, do you really want him to improve that much?
The only way to slow play it is if villain lead into us. Then you might be able to call and raise the turn, or if you OOP..
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Old 02-09-2007, 12:03 PM
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Default Re: For all you kids out there - the dangers of slowplaying top set

Don't be too hard on yourself. We've all been there - flop top set and you want to get max value. Board didn't look scary yet. You should have raised the turn though. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]
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Old 02-09-2007, 12:05 PM
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Default Re: For all you kids out there - the dangers of slowplaying top set

He had top set.
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Old 02-09-2007, 12:19 PM
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Default Re: For all you kids out there - the dangers of slowplaying top set

Seems to me that every time I used to slow play top set a guy ended up making some kind of draw or boat so now I never slow play top set. I might slow play trip Aces but only if there isn't a draw on the board. On this hand, I'd be betting a ton on the turn.
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Old 02-09-2007, 01:16 PM
Sir Winalot Sir Winalot is offline
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Default Re: For all you kids out there - the dangers of slowplaying top set

When you want to get paid on your big hands you should start fastplaying weaker hands/draws, not slowplaying the big hands.
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Old 02-09-2007, 01:44 PM
Antinome Antinome is offline
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Default Re: For all you kids out there - the dangers of slowplaying top set

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When you want to get paid on your big hands you should start fastplaying weaker hands/draws, not slowplaying the big hands.

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QFT, Amen
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Old 02-09-2007, 02:03 PM
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Default Re: For all you kids out there - the dangers of slowplaying top set

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This is what happens when you get tired of betting your set and opponent folding on stars $10 nl tables.

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The solution is not to slowplay the set, its to elevate your aggression so that people want to call you.
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Old 02-09-2007, 02:35 PM
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Default Re: For all you kids out there - the dangers of slowplaying top set

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When you want to get paid on your big hands you should start fastplaying weaker hands/draws, not slowplaying the big hands.

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QFT, Amen

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Brings a tear to my eye, it's so good.
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Old 02-09-2007, 02:39 PM
Imrahil Imrahil is offline
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Raise river please.
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