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Dancing with the devil
Party Poker 15/30 Hold'em (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)
Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls. Flop: (4 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero calls. Turn: (4 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls. River: (6 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font> |
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Re: Dancing with the devil
if he is good/agressive enough to value bet any pair on the river than I like it. If he is really lag and u might be tempted to call a 3 bet then I would just bet-call the river.
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Re: Dancing with the devil
Like anything, it's player dependent, but against reasonable, ie the majority of, players this river c/r is pretty ugly.
I actually like a check-call better than a bet-call because you're liable to catch more bluffs. |
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Re: Dancing with the devil
The devil won't pay you off often enough to make up for the failures.
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Re: Dancing with the devil
this seems doable under the right conditions but I think Bryce had a really good point about not getting paid off enough.
I have some digressing questions if you'll humor me. What do you do if the turn is a blank (if you check, do you call a bet?) Also, why not bet the turn? Let's say you do and get raised, do you call? |
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Re: Dancing with the devil
He called and MHWG.
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Re: Dancing with the devil
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The devil won't pay you off often enough to make up for the failures. [/ QUOTE ] So you're saying that a river check-raise with Ks Qs would be profitable here? (Even if you think there is a better way to play Ks Qs than the line taken in this hand.) I think you are getting paid just about every time by a worse hand (other than a busted draw). It's just a question of whether you are good about 60-65% of the time here, because your hand is right on the borderline where worse hands are calling but most better hands are 3-betting. |
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Re: Dancing with the devil
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The devil won't pay you off often enough to make up for the failures. [/ QUOTE ] Sure he will. Your hand looks a lot like a bluff. Hell pay off with any pair and even ace high. Ive seen people pay off with even worse than that. I agree with etizzle that if hes LAG id rather bet/call |
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Re: Dancing with the devil
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[ QUOTE ] The devil won't pay you off often enough to make up for the failures. [/ QUOTE ] Sure he will. Your hand looks a lot like a bluff. Hell pay off with any pair and even ace high. Ive seen people pay off with even worse than that. I agree with etizzle that if hes LAG id rather bet/call [/ QUOTE ] How often is A-high betting the river here though? It's really player dependant I think, lots of players will check behind with bottom pair or a low pair here but will obviously pay off a bet. A good number will valuebet those too. I think it's very rare for someone to valuebet and fold to the check/raise, no matter what their holding is. |
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Re: Dancing with the devil
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He called and MHWG. [/ QUOTE ] Of course it was, otherwise you wouldn't have posted it. |
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