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07-08-2006, 02:35 AM
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25NL KK - c/r\'d on somewhat coordinated board
tonight's session has been one of my best ever in terms of my overall play i believe, but this hand had me scratching my head.
every time i see someone get stacked with an overpair vs a set i think "how would i play that hand if i held the overpair". way too many people (especially at the lower levels) will take an overpair to the felt without questions. i didn't have pokertracker importing hands while i was playing (on purpose), so no stats were available during the play of this hand. looking back he was a 35/18/1.9 over only 53 hands. hadn't seen him get too out of line (in fact i havent noticed him at all before this hand). on to the "action". Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) internettexasholdem.com saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font> MP ($36.15) CO ($21.85) Hero ($41.44) SB ($23.40) BB ($11.65) UTG ($28.56) Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.10. UTG calls $0.25, MP calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1.5</font>, SB (poster) calls $1.40, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG folds, MP folds. Flop: ($3.75) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $2.25</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to $8.5</font>, Hero folds. Final Pot: $14.50 looking back this could be a worse overpair, but the c-r made me a little suspicious. thoughts? (too long and drawn out? sorry [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] ) 
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#3
07-08-2006, 03:23 AM
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Re: 25NL KK - c/r\'d on somewhat coordinated board
meh, I don't know beavens, it's seems the more SSNL I play, the less inclined I am to fold overpairs. Typical SSNL player's tend to overvalue their hands, and many are prone to FPS, especially on boards like this. I find many $25/$50 opponents autoput people on AK and on a board like this think their 99 is the nuts. I would probably shove.
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#4
07-08-2006, 03:37 AM
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Re: 25NL KK - c/r\'d on somewhat coordinated board
Certainly people will take this line with sets, but you'll also see 77-99/air doing this because they think your "AK" missed that low flop. Yours is certainly a tight fold, but there are definitely worse flops to fold an overpair on.
I do think we see smaller overpairs and garbage like A6/A7 enough times to make a shove profitable though.
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#8
07-09-2006, 04:38 AM
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Re: 25NL KK - c/r\'d on somewhat coordinated board
It's true that you often see an overpair get busted by a set, but another thing that isn't as noticable is when the big pair holds up. You probably remember getting busted over and over with an overpair, but you don't remember all the times you won the pot. Getting busted isn't the end of the world. If you take a good gamble, and are wrong, hey, that's poker.
In this particular hand, at these stakes, there's no way in hell I'm folding to his check-raise without some kind of awesome read.
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#10
07-09-2006, 03:09 PM
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Re: 25NL KK - c/r\'d on somewhat coordinated board
[ QUOTE ]
It's true that you often see an overpair get busted by a set, but another thing that isn't as noticable is when the big pair holds up. You probably remember getting busted over and over with an overpair, but you don't remember all the times you won the pot. Getting busted isn't the end of the world. If you take a good gamble, and are wrong, hey, that's poker. In this particular hand, at these stakes, there's no way in hell I'm folding to his check-raise without some kind of awesome read. [/ QUOTE ] Agreed. You will see weaker overpairs too often here to make folding correct. Also, villain could easily be playing back at your c-bet, considering the board is so dry for pf raising hands. Then the question becomes: should we push or call? I'm not too sure. If you call, he probably will not put more chips in if he is bluff c/r'ing the flop. However, he could very easily push the turn with 77-QQ (and even some weaker hands). If you push, he will fold air, probably gutshots, and crappy pairs. He will call with decent overpairs, sets, or a made straight. Villain made quite a substantial reraise oop, so I doubt that he has a made straight. Most villains would try to milk this for more value. I would even lower the chances that he has a set here (especially top and middle set), considering that he knows you are probably drawing very thin in this case, and may have complete air. Most villains at 25NL will not play their monsters so strongly. Considering all of this, without much a read on villain, I much prefer pushing the flop. You would be forced to call a push on the turn if villain did so, so get it in on the flop . And next time you stack TT with KK on an undercard board, try to remember it: then you don't have to think so hard next time.
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