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Old 10-03-2007, 05:14 PM
kenadams kenadams is offline
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Default [50NL] AKs facing 3-bet OOP

Haven't got many hands on villains...
CO is 42/7/0.42 (14 hands)
SB is 82/21/1 (37 hands)
Even though villains appear pretty bad, I felt this was a pretty clear fold. Does anyone have a different opinion about this? Would this be a raise if I were playing more aggresive games like 100NL or 200NL?

I'd like to get this confirmed as I feel playing hands like these correctly can have quite a big impact on your bankroll as the choice is going out now with no loss or risking my stack to win a stack and giving the preflop action I don't like my odds...

No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

<u>SB: $53.99</u>
Hero (BB): $50.00
UTG: $50.00
MP: $31.50
<u>CO: $185.68</u>
BTN: $49.01

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, MP calls $0.50, <font color="red">CO raises to $2.25</font>, BTN folds, <font color="red">SB raises to $5.00</font>, Hero folds [cut]
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Old 10-03-2007, 05:15 PM
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Default Re: [50NL] AKs facing 3-bet OOP

never folding, always 4betting/calling
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Old 10-03-2007, 05:27 PM
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Default Re: [50NL] AKs facing 3-bet OOP

82/21 ?????

Im really confused on how u want to fold here.
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Old 10-03-2007, 05:31 PM
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Default Re: [50NL] AKs facing 3-bet OOP

SB is a nut job...4 bet shove all day everyday...
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Old 10-03-2007, 05:32 PM
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Default Re: [50NL] AKs facing 3-bet OOP

Well the fact that he's a station doesn't mean he raises lightly. Even if he is, the SB is 3-betting which should count for something. I can't call, 'cause I don't want to play AK out of position in what might evolve into a 3-way pot. Also, the CO might raise again after I call... So for me it's either 4-betting or folding.
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Old 10-03-2007, 06:04 PM
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Default Re: [50NL] AKs facing 3-bet OOP

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Well the fact that he's a station doesn't mean he raises lightly.

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so do you have a read that a min 3 bet reraise is always aces from this villian? If not then 4 betting to about $20 and calling a shove is standard imo.
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Old 10-03-2007, 06:25 PM
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Default Re: [50NL] AKs facing 3-bet OOP

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Well the fact that he's a station doesn't mean he raises lightly. Even if he is, the SB is 3-betting which should count for something. I can't call, 'cause I don't want to play AK out of position in what might evolve into a 3-way pot. Also, the CO might raise again after I call... So for me it's either 4-betting or folding.

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The guy's raising 20% of all hands... I know that PT may classify him as a station but that's a misnomer. The guy should have a wide range. There's some decent dead money in the pot already...

I approve of a gamble against his range... raise it up.
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Old 10-03-2007, 06:54 PM
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Default Re: [50NL] AKs facing 3-bet OOP

I fold AK a lot to avoid variance when my read is that I am flipping if I get it in with the 3bettor pf. This situation usually occurs if there's a 3b with one or more callers of my open (I guess this would be called a squeeze at higher levels, but is almost always a monster at 50NL). That said, reads that specific are relatively rare.

And OP's hand does not look like one of those situtions. Here, I 4b and am glad to get it in and expect to have the best hand a lot. And I probably cb (that's a near-shove) any flop.

And fwiw, although it's only 37 hands, I think vpip/pfr are relatively reliable over that size.
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Old 10-03-2007, 07:00 PM
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Default Re: [50NL] AKs facing 3-bet OOP

Don't even consider CO's stat's - after 14 hands i can be running 40/30/infi and I'm a massive nit....

against someone who is 80/20 I raise (call push) all day. I mean his standard raise is prolly a mini raise...
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Old 10-03-2007, 07:08 PM
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Default Re: [50NL] AKs facing 3-bet OOP

I think 4-bet and call shove is fine here. But how would this change if we 4 bet and then the cut off shoves? Obviously his PFR of 7 is meaningless over 14 hands but say this were over 140 hands would you still call the shove?
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