TPMK

jeanbaptiste36 · #1 08-15-2007, 05:04 PM

Villain is unknown. On the flop I figured only a better King would raise me to protect my hand.

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP1 calls, Hero raises, 2 folds, Button 3-bets, 2 folds, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (10.40 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP1 checks, Hero checks, Button bets, MP1 calls, Hero raises, Button calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (8.20 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets, Button calls, MP1 folds.

River: (10.20 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 10.20 BB

tyler_cracker · #2 08-15-2007, 05:13 PM

nh. i don't think a worse hand will call once the A hits.

JamesBJames · #3 08-15-2007, 05:17 PM

Yeah, you're really only ahead of JJ or QQ once the river hits. Maybe 99.

I might donk the flop and have the button do the raising for me so MP1 gets knocked out, but I'm not impartial to check/raising either.

By the way, if he bets the river, go ahead and call one.

CrMenace · #4 08-15-2007, 05:33 PM

SUPER GRUNCH

PF: I don't usually raise KJs from MP unless I have a loose table that will call a raised pot often. Due to KJs's flush (and some straight) value, it is a hand that prefers to be multiway.

Flop: I like the check raise for value with MP1 in. If 3-bet, you can call down from there.

Turn: Leading turn is the obvious next step here. If you're raised, you're drawing to the GSSD or maybe J or K.

River: I don't like the check behind here. There are few hands where the situation has changed based on the A (you were already behind AA and AK). Most hands that are affected aren't 3-betting hands, like QJ and AT -- anyone who would 3-bet these hands pf would be more aggressive post flop, I would guess (I guess I could see AQs or AJs drawing to GSSDs). So bet for value hoping villain has QQ or JJ. I think you have to fold to a c/r, though -- someone willing to c/r you after the aggression you've shown so far is picking a very poor place to bluff.

LoNeLyAcEs · #5 08-15-2007, 07:10 PM

donk the flop, it's bettter to try and protect your hand, BU could raise with QQ or JJ, if he does indeed raise than i'd play WA/WB

you really want to try and fold hands like AQs or AJs, which MP1 might have, you'd only lose 1 SB if villain has AK but you may lose the whole pot if MP1 calls with AQs, AJs and hits on the turn...

vs a straightforward player you can B/F the river

sharpie · #6 08-15-2007, 09:39 PM

Can you check/fold the river? If not you should be betting.

Gib · #7 08-15-2007, 10:23 PM

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yups

Landonfan · #8 08-16-2007, 01:41 AM

Flop c/r is cool. Turn bet is standard. Bet river. He line says underpair, if it's AQ or something else stupid, so be it.

jeanbaptiste36 · #9 08-16-2007, 03:28 PM

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No. I was more along the line of check/call the river. Inducing a bluff with the A.

NIX · #10 08-16-2007, 03:39 PM

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No. I was more along the line of check/call the river. Inducing a bluff with the A.

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Figuring Villain 3-bet preflop, what hands do you think he has at this point that he's going to want to bluff with as opposed to taking a free showdown?