drawin hand in a not drawin situation

[Guruman]

this table's brand spanking new, and the only read I have is that utg is 40/20 ish.

Poker Stars
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
6 players
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Pre-flop: (6 players) Guruman is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Guruman calls <font color="aaaaaa">(3.33333333333:1)</font>, 2 folds, 2 folds, BB checks.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4.33SB, 4 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#cc0000">Guruman raises</font>, BB folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG 3-bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, Guruman calls <font color="aaaaaa">(12.3333333333:1)</font>.

Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6.67BB, 3 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#cc0000">Guruman ...

[sharpie]

I'd raise PF. Bet the turn. Only question to me is whether to valuebet a blank river. If it's 3 way or only UTG+1 calls I say go for it. If it's HU against UTG it seems close.

[Guruman]

Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6.67BB, 3 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#cc0000">Guruman bets</font>, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls.

River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (8.67BB, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Guruman checks.

[Municipal Hare]

I would bet the turn out of habit and confusion. Below are some fleshed out reasons which might be worth scrutinizing.

- Both checked to me. On this board they should be more inclined to do that with less than a pair of jacks than more, and at least one plays loose, so JT being best is possible.
- Taking the A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] out of their hands permits fewer flushes.
- As Guruman pointed out, this is not a drawing situation. Even if my equity on the turn is not strong, I'm sacrificing more by letting another card roll off.
- Betting leads to easier river play, particularly if I cull the field.
- Betting leads to a comfortable fold if checkraised.
- By checking I invite a worse situation against the same opponents.
- Even if the turn bet is marginal to poor, it likely amounts to my river donation after a check.
- The ability to place a bet here is why we like having the button.


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Turn: A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6.67BB, 3 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#cc0000">Guruman bets</font>, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls.

River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (8.67BB, 2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Guruman checks.

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Nice.

[Kwaz]

I probably wouldn't open up the betting again on the drawy flop with only one person left to act, two already in and position.

[Veron]

I would bet the turn and check behind the river UI. I expect that we're behind on the turn but if we have the best hand we need to protect it.

Given the 40/20 guy his flop action I don't think we can value-bet a blank river.